Registered: Feb 2001
Location: Greenville, SC
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How much are you paying for gas?

Gas is $1.19 for regular and as low as $1.34 for premium in Greenville, SC. It's nice to see prices coming down again. I can handle paying less than $1.20!

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I actually think we need to do a total reform on gas. You get a set amount per month to use, so that anyoen can afford that. Anything over that set amount (which would ba the amount of gas somebody uses on a $15,000 eyar salery) would be $5 a gallon or higher. I'm sorry. but driving should be a luxary, we have way to many carts, and they all pollute. gas at $5 a gallon ,after the miminum would make it so that rich wouldn't be able to have crappy SUVs's but the poor could still heat their homes. I hate SUVs..

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Originally posted by miradu2000:
I actually think we need to do a total reform on gas.

Nah...we need to do a total reform on our heads.

You get a set amount per month to use, so that anyoen can afford that.

Woohoo! State socialism really failed in the USSR. Why would we want it here (well other than the characteristics we've already got - for which I personally don't care much in most cases)?

Anything over that set amount (which would ba the amount of gas somebody uses on a $15,000 eyar salery) would be $5 a gallon or higher.

How much do Domino's pizza delivery driver make a year? Let's use them to base the amount upon, since I'll bet it's less that $15,000.

I'm sorry. but driving should be a luxary,

Yeah, that pesky freedom should be a luxury too. We have too much of that. Let's get rid of it.

we have way to many carts, and they all pollute. gas at $5 a gallon ,after the miminum would make it so that rich wouldn't be able to have crappy SUVs's but the poor could still heat their homes. I hate SUVs..

The rich couldn't care less about $5.00 a gallon gas. Your perspective is a bit skewed.

Registered: Mar 2001
Location: San Diego, California
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I go to school in San Diego and when I need to get gas I'm very happy to find it for $2.05!!! Here at home we have it at about $1.85 - $2.20.. so you may need to change your poll

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Originally posted by miradu2000
I'm sorry. but driving should be a luxary, we have way to many carts, and they all pollute. gas at $5 a gallon ,after the miminum would make it so that rich wouldn't be able to have crappy SUVs's but the poor could still heat their homes. I hate SUVs..

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aww ****. I really made a screwed up post. (flame!!)

let me reclairfy. I do not want to do pricefixing, I do not want to "give up freedoms" What I am saying more is that, you have a super high charge on gas, but than everyone get's a rebate on that. So if your poor, you cna still heat your house, becuase you get a rebate lator, if you got money, 1) you can than afford the higher gas, and it will hopefully spur the industry to move ven faster to ethenol, and hybrid cars. 2) my education will actually be ok. Our schools will have money (ie.. that tax goes right to our education fund.. that bush doens't belive in)

No techinical state socialism.. just you can gget money back. Driving should be a luxary is a bad statement. Driving crappy SUV's should be a "luxary" and we can say yeah.. you pay 10 tiems as much for gas, and you cna have hte bad car. I will go with my hybrid car and be a normal person.

I'm a very democratic capitolist. I LOVE commercialism.. but I hate suvs.. and I don't care if I'm a biased ******. We don't need them anymore. I also don't like that I can't cross the main street near my house, becusae cars go 50 MPH o na what WAS a 20 MPH road. Cops don't care, becuse if you go anywere near 30 your a hazard on the road.

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Miradu

Ok, noble idea which I understand much better. However, how would the "poor" people pay for the gas upfront? I think you'd have to have some sort of immediate gratification program for those of lower income.

I agree with you on the SUV's. Even though they are more efficient then 20 year ago vehicles they are still inefficient modes of transportation for most of the miles that are put on them. How often during their life do they actually carry 7 passengers? Some studies show less than 20% of the time.

We you start driving - remember your statement about speeding. Even with all of the safety features built into todays vehichles many accidents that are fatal are at speeds in the 35 to 45 mile per hour range.

Not that I advocate it but there is a rental company in Conneticut that uses GPS to track their vehicles and if the driver is speeding then they fine the driver $150 bucks for each violation. Technology will eventually cause the speeders to be caught. Until then keep up the pressure with your local municipality to control that road.

We had a lady in our neighborhood do that and a small local suburb road was modified in such a way to force a slow down on it.

Keep those ideas flowing - and hope you didn't take my post as a flame it was not meant to be that way.

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I drive at least 450 miles every week. Me and my hick buddies would have to tar and feather you after making you pay for our gas. You don't think SUV's are a necessity? How about living somewhere other than suburbia where the only way you're getting to the grocery store is with 4 wheel drive 6 mos out of the year? I drive a neon POS, and if it weren't for SUV's, my car would've been stuck in the next county all winter, then mired in mud come spring, and buried axle deep in dried clay come the summer - and that was on one of our "paved" roads. We can get into a hunting discussion if you'd like, but suffice it to say that Bambi's safety is guaranteed if the hunter is driving a Honda Civic. I'm all for alternative energy sources and gas efficiency, but not at the cost of functionality.

City ecologists get some crazy ideas.

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Feel Left out

I feel left out of the Poll!! I paid 0 dollars for gas. Why? Because I take Public Transit. I think gas prices should be $10+ a gallon. Then more people will take Public Transit and leave their gas guzzlers at home.

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Location: Atlanta, GA
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Re: Feel Left out

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I feel left out of the Poll!! I paid 0 dollars for gas. Why? Because I take Public Transit. I think gas prices should be $10+ a gallon. Then more people will take Public Transit and leave their gas guzzlers at home.

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I feel left out of the Poll!! I paid 0 dollars for gas. Why? Because I take Public Transit. I think gas prices should be $10+ a gallon. Then more people will take Public Transit and leave their gas guzzlers at home.

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Re: Miradu

Originally posted by RSGMOOSE
I agree with you on the SUV's. Even though they are more efficient then 20 year ago vehicles they are still inefficient modes of transportation for most of the miles that are put on them. How often during their life do they actually carry 7 passengers? Some studies show less than 20% of the time.

I recall seeing a study (likely in Consumer Reports, or possibly on Dateline) that the majority of SUV's are actually unsafe to carry the amount of weight they're supposedly built for, due to the high center of gravity. It's one of the reasons the Ford "Exploder" tends to flip.

I've driven an SUV*. I don't like it. I'd rather be in a van or a pickup, if I'm going to be that high.

driving this back to topic, I'm currently paying between $1.51 and $1.55 a gallon. The highest it got was $1.70.
I'd like it to go back down to below a dollar like it was a couple summers ago, but considering the U.S. pays the lowest price for gas in the world, I'm not terribly upset.



* I almost flipped my mom's Blazer in a snowstorm, long ago. I think having the 4WD made me cocky.

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Not to be rude Miradu, but spoken like a true teenager without a license.

Registered: May 2000
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well.. that's what I am... and my parents won't let me get my liscence until I'm 17.. (good or bad. .you decide if you want me driving ) I try to bike everywhere I can, or take the bus. I'm such a sterotypical envromentalist techie democratic teen!

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oh.. one other thing..

Anomoly: you aren't being rude at all Your stating the facts. I don't flame people, and I try to accept critisim well.. so.. don't worry

oops! sorry guys.. I of all people forgot about "edit your post".. silly me!

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My few cents worth ..

1. The majority of people in my area do not carpool. Given the internet, it would be possible for individuals that live in close proximity and work in a close proximity to start carpooling. This would reduce the amount of traffic, pollution, gas consumption, etc without having to invest in new alternate fuel vehicles, changing gas pricing, etc..etc..etc....

2. Carpoolers/Mass Transit users should get benefits -- for example, in the area, there are carpool lanes on several of the roads which allows for much faster transportation during rush hour traffic.

3. There should be incentives to use alternate fuel vehicles & car pools, however, these incentives need to be well thought out.

4. Gas prices are artificial. As mentioned in an earlier post, there are known reserves that will last until the end of the century .. further more, there are new techniques of excavation (mostly deep sea) that will ultimately provide lower costs per barrel than what was possible just 5 years ago. The majority of this discrepency in price is pure profit for the oil companies --- check out ExxonMobil's financials (profit margin, executive bonuses, etc..) ........

5. Mass Transit systems are great, however, for many cities, it is not a feesible mode of transportation given the layout of the city (unfortunately) -- When I was in Washington DC this past week, I thought it was great to sit on the Metro system and not have to worry about traffic, driving, etc..etc.. just hop on, sit back and have some time to relax or do whatever ... it was actually a pleasant experience (though I was within a block or two of the metro stations which made it nice) ...

Joe

ps -- so i guess what i am saying, it doesnt really seem like there is a solution that works for all situations ..

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In Reply To Cerulean's Cents:
1. I hardly expect people to contact someone on the internet and rrange to car pool with a stranger, let alone the difficulty of getting cow-orkers to car pool.
2. I see now way to enfore a car pool lane and I think its a little dumb, a bus lane wouldn't be bad though.
3. I totally agree. Theres a proposed tax on SUVs, this should be extended to older cars or cars that can not pass certain tests. I notice many places are getting rid of emissions tests, this is bad in my opinion.
4. Totally true.
5. Busses really don't work well, subvways are great but hard to put in cities which already don't have one. Most cities can't get this kind of transportation because of cash though. I really wish we could get bullet trains for interconnecting cities though, that would be great.

Also, I agree with Anamoly, i just didn't want to say it

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I'm sorry, but some of you aren't thinking. Higher gas prices means that everything gets a price hike. Stamps will likely go up to 75� - if not more, fast food prices will skyrocket, your local newspaper will cost significantly more, you can kiss the local shopper goodbye, anything at Target, Wal-Mart, KMart, etc. will have prices raised, you can forget UPS/FedEx/etc, your precious public transportation will become unreasonably expensive....

It's one thing to work at developing alternative sources of energy, but regardless of the energy used, it better be cheap. Environmental concerns are only going to push development so far. Money makes the decisions in America. I'd love to be able to use 100% environmentally friendly energy for my car, but I'm sure as hell not going to pay even double the cost of gas. The only win-win situation we can have is for alternative energy costs to drop below gas prices - NOT for gas prices to get jacked over the cost of alternative energy.

There are families whose income is based on the cost of transportation. Mine is one of them. For every 10� increase in gas price, we lose $15-20/mnth. We were in a serious financial squeeze when gas got over $1.90 here. Thankfully, the price dropped back down to ~$1.35.

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Registered: Sep 1999
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Gas is A$0.80-A$1.10 per liter over here (Sydney) that makes it roughly US$1.50-US$2.10 per gallon.
I used to live in Holland and gas is about NLG 2,50 per liter there which is over US4,5 per liter...and californians think they pay much...
The thing is in Europe people drive smaller more fuel efficient cars..
Raising the price of gas does not help, making more efficient cars does...

I do drive a SUV, but a small one which is relatively fuel efficient..
And I do take mine off-road. People with SUV's that only use them for shopping should be forced to trade them in for peoplemovers.. that kind of car fits their needs a lot better (except for the coolness factor)

Also the US should seriously invest in its public transport or it might get in big trouble once the oilwells dry out or the air gets too poluted (which ever comes first)... but with the current US president I don't see that happening...

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Originally posted by miradu2000:
[...] I do not want to do pricefixing,

No, but you seem to want rationing.

I do not want to "give up freedoms"

Perhaps you don't, but you seem willing to take them away from other people pretty easily.

What I am saying more is that, you have a super high charge on gas, but than everyone get's a rebate on that. So if your poor, you cna still heat your house, becuase you get a rebate lator,

This won't work. How are poor people going to be able to afford to pay for it and do without the money until they get their rebate?

if you got money, 1) you can than afford the higher gas, and it will hopefully spur the industry to move ven faster to ethenol, and hybrid cars.

If one has the money, why would that spur the need for more efficient cars? If one has the money, they'd just keep doing as they're already doing.

No techinical state socialism.. just you can gget money back.

Still sounds a lot like state socialism.

Driving should be a luxary is a bad statement. Driving crappy SUV's should be a "luxary" and we can say yeah.. you pay 10 tiems as much for gas, and you cna have hte bad car. I will go with my hybrid car and be a normal person.

Why should driving an SUV be a luxury? Perhaps if one lives in a city and never carries enough stuff to actually use one? I can see that, but for those of us that live in rural areas and have a good chunk of stuff to carry around from time to time and need the higher ground clearance that they provide, they're hardly a luxury.

I'm a very democratic capitolist.

Except when it comes to SUVs?

I LOVE commercialism.. but I hate suvs.. and I don't care if I'm a biased ******. We don't need them anymore.

You may not, but I do. Not everyone lives in the same environment that you do. This is a pretty big country.