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(currently) Is PALM or PPC better?. i believ
By: robert sibell @ 12:23 AM

Yea yea, i know, this has been discussed before. but know with all the new pda's and all, maybe its time for a new poll. I voted for Palm, or more specifically, the Sony Clie 760. i had this great post on the better and worse parts, but it got trunicated in an email so its only 1/3 of what it was.

I am currently a student in the 8th grade. Email me at
[email protected]. im on the net reading about pda's all day, so i know what im saying.(correct me if im wrong)

I believe unless you want an overpriced Gameboy, get a Palm. Or
like me, a Sony Clie 760. Now i know that Ce devises might have more
memory (32mb compared to 8mb), but that is only because Ce programs use
MUCH more memory, a game for Ce might be 6mb big, a good one for palm
might be at 1mb most

The Sony Clie, like most ce pda's can ALSO play mp3 music. And it
even has better resolution, 320x320 in only a 5 1/2x5 1/2 screen. I
must admit, the processor is only 33mhz or at best, 52mhz overclocked.
Compared to the much much faster processors that Ce's have. But
remember, Ce programs REQUIRE more speed and memory because there programs NEED it to run, becuase of the higher graphics and full sound(a plus side)some Ce games use 5mb alone! Most Palm games are 50-300k, or for a large game 1mb.

I have always believed that Palm develpers must be some of the best, because of how they can make nice games using very little speed or memory, which makes me wonder how they do it.

Some people will also go on and on about how great the Ppc word processors are, which just makes me sick. Well yea, they might have a bigger screen so they can see more, but Palm word processors can also sync with computers and Microsoft word just like Ppc. Personally dont see much of a difference.

The screen on Ppc's are also larger, but we have higher resolution which makes up for it, which is better. Because the screen is larger on Ppc's, they require a larger device, so that is why most ppc's will always be gennerally larger that Palms.

It also is complicated to learn Ppc format to some. Palm OS has been known for its simplicity. Most people dont want to read a 100-300 page book to just understand a pda.

Expansion. Palms dominate the pda market compared to ppc. And with big companies like Palm and Sony, you'll surely have many acceries. Sony is just starting so give them some time, i mean they already got a 56k modem which can sync with the desktop. I heard that Ipaq's dont even have an expansion slot(correct me if wrong). Well, microsoft is a large comapany, but if not enough people purchase from them, they might not make as many accesories.

the processor on ppc's can be higher than 150mhz, compared to the Palms with a measily 33mhz(52 overclocked). But still, some(alot) ppc's take longer to load becuase af there applications bulky size. But once again, Palm is known for there speed, most normal apps on Palms can load instantly, unless its not in internal memory. But the higher speed on Ppc's does have its advatages, like there games. There games are just the coolest! many things of which i wish were on palms, but the processor prevented it. I just hope Sony or Motorola(i think) will come through with a faster chip!

Altimately, there are 11,000+ apps for the Palm OS. i know know Ppc doesnt have nearly as many, but im not sure. With such a number of software titles for Palm OS, you can find anything from math to adult stuff. You might need to do a little more searching with Ppc.

So since i dont know as nearly as much about Ppc's as i do Palm. I still believe it depends on what you need personally. Right now, i believe the most innovative, and technically advanced palm is the Sony Clie 760. Since they are able to include mp3 playback without increasing form factor, high resolution with 16bit color, which they need to make there own proccesor to make that posible.

technology wise, they both make use of of it. Once again, i only am stating palm. Sony had to create the very own chip to utilize 16bit color and high resolution screen simutanlesly. So that was a very new invention, which was up-to-date technology.

Im not sure about Ppc. So i wont talk about it.

Please post your opinion. Hope my views helped!

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Re: (currently) Is PALM or PPC better? i believ
By: AzNCoMpUtAnErD @ 06:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by robert sibell
I believe unless you want an overpriced Gameboy, get a Palm. Or like me, a Sony Clie 760. Now i know that Ce devises might have more memory (32mb compared to 8mb), but that is only because Ce programs use MUCH more memory, a game for Ce might be 6mb big, a good one for palm
might be at 1mb most.
Well...for ont thing, you can not, and SHOULD not be so closed minded. I love my 710+, but they're are and WILL be better options in the future, and it will probably come from Pocket PC. They're are a number of aspects keeping me from PPC.
1. No Macintosh Supprt, although I think that's been solved...
2. Short Battery Life
3. Expensive, hehe, mainly because there's no PPC warez...shh!!
However, I admit the PPC devices are very nice, great screens and graphics. Windows XP is great, and PPC 2002 looks just like it. I love how the UI looks. It is CERTAINLY NOT a overpriced GameBoy. Although, PPC can be more like a GameBoy than a Palm. Most PPC's now have 64 MB as well...and it is true they take up more space. But they have that extra space.

quote:
The Sony Clie, like most ce pda's can ALSO play mp3 music. And it even has better resolution, 320x320 in only a 5 1/2x5 1/2 screen. I must admit, the processor is only 33mhz or at best, 52mhz overclocked. Compared to the much much faster processors that Ce's have. But remember, Ce programs REQUIRE more speed and memory because there programs NEED it to run, becuase of the higher graphics and full sound(a plus side)some Ce games use 5mb alone! Most Palm games are 50-300k, or for a large game 1mb.
Yeah, that's a great aspect of the Clie, however, we have to consider a lot about WinCE in general...They have been able to play MP3's for a long time, since around 1998 or earlier. Just now in 2001 has PalmOS gotten that capability. Color Screens for WinCE have been around since they were released. PalmOS got color in 1999 with the Palm IIIc. WinCE has had higher resolutions and larger screens since they were introduced. You can overclock to 54 MHz for one, and yes, PPC does need the processor because of its bloated OS. Palm can do just as well all its functions if not faster. The games are I admit, MUCH better on PPC, but games basically kill time, and both do it well. Although some very good games for Palm are coming out. Like SiberianStrike, Rayman, Lemmings, etc. If you're playing games on a handheld at home, haha, you need to get a life. Play CounterStrike of StarCraft at home.

quote:
I have always believed that Palm develpers must be some of the best, because of how they can make nice games using very little speed or memory, which makes me wonder how they do it. Some people will also go on and on about how great the PPC word processors are, which just makes me sick. Well yea, they might have a bigger screen so they can see more, but Palm word processors can also sync with computers and Microsoft word just like PPC. Personally dont see much of a difference.

The screen on Ppc's are also larger, but we have higher resolution which makes up for it, which is better. Because the screen is larger on Ppc's, they require a larger device, so that is why most ppc's will always be gennerally larger that Palms.

It also is complicated to learn Ppc format to some. Palm OS has been known for its simplicity. Most people dont want to read a 100-300 page book to just understand a pda.
Palm developers are great, and they're are many of them, but that doesn't make PPC developers bad. they're both very good. Well, PalmOS just can do things PPC can, and that's why the games are smaller and use less power. They are very simple, and I think that's good. PPC apps I admit are better than PalmOS. Although WordSmith I think is just as good. And they're all built-in, no need to take up memory and buy software. Both can sync, but I dunno which is better...The higher resolution is great on the Clie, but PPC has had that since its start. And they're are not many apps that take advantage of the high-res, and not a SINGLE DECENT LAUNCHER that does it as well.

quote:
Expansion. Palms dominate the pda market compared to ppc. And with big companies like Palm and Sony, you'll surely have many acceries. Sony is just starting so give them some time, i mean they already got a 56k modem which can sync with the desktop. I heard that Ipaq's dont even have an expansion slot(correct me if wrong). Well, microsoft is a large comapany, but if not enough people purchase from them, they might not make as many accesories.
Hmm, well, I dunno about that. Palms have lots of expansion and accessories, but PPC have has those long before. ALL PPC's and WinCE's have memory expansion that is cheaper than PalmOS's. And only the newest of PalmOS devices have memory expansion. Modems, memory, and other accesories are decently priced for PalmOS, but many times cheaper for PPC because they've been around longer. You could sync to your desktops years ago with WinCE, as I did long ago..hehe. Microsoft itself doesn't make anything but the PPC OS...and iPAQs have expansion sleeves with more options than another other PPC.

quote:
I just hope Sony or Motorola(i think) will come through with a faster chip!

Ultimately, there are 11,000+ apps for the Palm OS. i know know Ppc doesnt have nearly as many, but im not sure. With such a number of software titles for Palm OS, you can find anything from math to adult stuff. You might need to do a little more searching with PPC.

So since i dont know as nearly as much about Ppc's as i do Palm. I still believe it depends on what you need personally. Right now, i believe the most innovative, and technically advanced palm is the Sony Clie 760. Since they are able to include mp3 playback without increasing form factor, high resolution with 16bit color, which they need to make there own proccesor to make that posible.

Technology wise, they both make use of of it. Once again, i only am stating palm. Sony had to create the very own chip to utilize 16bit color and high resolution screen simutanlesly. So that was a very new invention, which was up-to-date technology.

Im not sure about PPC. So i wont talk about it.
LOLz, Motorolla is already developing faster chips a long time ago. I believe they have a 66Mhz chip ready, and more MX chips to go...PalmOS does have more software, but they are not all that useful. PPC has less, but they all do more, and are better than PalmOS many times. More powerful, however, they're are junk programs for students!!!! . But I love Palm warez...hehe. Yes, it is personal preference and I've chosen Palm, but if PalmOS doesn't deliver like PPC 2002, I'm gonna go to PPC. PalmOS is doing great right now, but basically developing things WinCE has already done.

You need to be open minded to ALL handheld devices. The Sony Clie is great, but better things WILL come, and not necessarily from PalmOS. They are both great OS's, but PPC is for power users, and we are all power users. Palm will continue to dominate the consumer market, and I believe soon PPC will take over the power user market unless Palm delivers well. Get some more insight on PPC before you talk too much. Although you have some valid points. Good luck to you...

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By: bradhaak @ 08:37 PM

BTW - Pocketmac is supposed to ship next week. This will give PocketPC users synch capabilities with both Mac OS9 and OSX.

Palm doesn't have any native support for OSX yet - how wierd is this?
Re: Re: (currently) Is PALM or PPC better? i believ
By: robert sibell @ 08:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by AzNCoMpUtAnErD
Well...for ont thing, you can not, and SHOULD not be so closed minded. I love my 710+, but they're are and WILL be better options in the future, and it will probably come from Pocket PC. They're are a number of aspects keeping me from PPC.
1. No Macintosh Supprt, although I think that's been solved...
2. Short Battery Life
3. Expensive, hehe, mainly because there's no PPC warez...shh!!
However, I admit the PPC devices are very nice, great screens and graphics. Windows XP is great, and PPC 2002 looks just like it. I love how the UI looks. It is CERTAINLY NOT a overpriced GameBoy. Although, PPC can be more like a GameBoy than a Palm. Most PPC's now have 64 MB as well...and it is true they take up more space. But they have that extra space.

Yeah, that's a great aspect of the Clie, however, we have to consider a lot about WinCE in general...They have been able to play MP3's for a long time, since around 1998 or earlier. Just now in 2001 has PalmOS gotten that capability. Color Screens for WinCE have been around since they were released. PalmOS got color in 1999 with the Palm IIIc. WinCE has had higher resolutions and larger screens since they were introduced. You can overclock to 54 MHz for one, and yes, PPC does need the processor because of its bloated OS. Palm can do just as well all its functions if not faster. The games are I admit, MUCH better on PPC, but games basically kill time, and both do it well. Although some very good games for Palm are coming out. Like SiberianStrike, Rayman, Lemmings, etc. If you're playing games on a handheld at home, haha, you need to get a life. Play CounterStrike of StarCraft at home.

Palm developers are great, and they're are many of them, but that doesn't make PPC developers bad. they're both very good. Well, PalmOS just can do things PPC can, and that's why the games are smaller and use less power. They are very simple, and I think that's good. PPC apps I admit are better than PalmOS. Although WordSmith I think is just as good. And they're all built-in, no need to take up memory and buy software. Both can sync, but I dunno which is better...The higher resolution is great on the Clie, but PPC has had that since its start. And they're are not many apps that take advantage of the high-res, and not a SINGLE DECENT LAUNCHER that does it as well.

Hmm, well, I dunno about that. Palms have lots of expansion and accessories, but PPC have has those long before. ALL PPC's and WinCE's have memory expansion that is cheaper than PalmOS's. And only the newest of PalmOS devices have memory expansion. Modems, memory, and other accesories are decently priced for PalmOS, but many times cheaper for PPC because they've been around longer. You could sync to your desktops years ago with WinCE, as I did long ago..hehe. Microsoft itself doesn't make anything but the PPC OS...and iPAQs have expansion sleeves with more options than another other PPC.

LOLz, Motorolla is already developing faster chips a long time ago. I believe they have a 66Mhz chip ready, and more MX chips to go...PalmOS does have more software, but they are not all that useful. PPC has less, but they all do more, and are better than PalmOS many times. More powerful, however, they're are junk programs for students!!!! . But I love Palm warez...hehe. Yes, it is personal preference and I've chosen Palm, but if PalmOS doesn't deliver like PPC 2002, I'm gonna go to PPC. PalmOS is doing great right now, but basically developing things WinCE has already done.

You need to be open minded to ALL handheld devices. The Sony Clie is great, but better things WILL come, and not necessarily from PalmOS. They are both great OS's, but PPC is for power users, and we are all power users. Palm will continue to dominate the consumer market, and I believe soon PPC will take over the power user market unless Palm delivers well. Get some more insight on PPC before you talk too much. Although you have some valid points. Good luck to you...


yea, i dont know, but when i speak, i guess i sound closed minded. I in real life try to look at things at all aspects. And i just didnt have enough time to express all views in my post. And i am sorry, the ppc is not an overpriced gameboy, but it used to be. Just recently i have seen some major price drops. And i said many times through out my post how i am not as informed about ppc as palm os.
I also agree that if the os isnt dramatically improved, pocket pc will rule.
And if motorola has had much faster chips for palms, why dont they put them in? i know they make chips for all products also.
i was also not particularly putting down ppc developers, i know that they are pretty great too.

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By: homer @ 09:06 PM

PPC is a bit easier to develop for. Anyone that knows Visual Basic can make a PPC app. The problem is that by making development easier, you lower the barrier to entry for programmers. Ie, less experienced and skilled programmers can make software.

Palm developers, at least for now, requires that you know C. C programmers tend to be much more experienced.

This has nothing to do with the merits of the OS, of course.

Also, let's not assume that there is only Palm OS and PPC. I do think there is plenty of room for other hand-held OSes to enter the market. The OS the iPod is running is an interesting alternative...

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By: dampeoples @ 01:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bradhaak

Palm doesn't have any native support for OSX yet - how wierd is this?


That is weird, I'm looking into purchasing a Mac and I think it comes with Palm Desktop loaded.
Re: Re: Re: (currently) Is PALM or PPC better? i believ
By: AzNCoMpUtAnErD @ 04:39 AM

quote:
Originally posted by robert sibell
yea, i dont know, but when i speak, i guess i sound closed minded. I in real life try to look at things at all aspects. And i just didnt have enough time to express all views in my post. And i am sorry, the ppc is not an overpriced gameboy, but it used to be. Just recently i have seen some major price drops. And i said many times through out my post how i am not as informed about ppc as palm os.
I also agree that if the os isnt dramatically improved, pocket pc will rule. And if motorola has had much faster chips for palms, why dont they put them in? i know they make chips for all products also.
i was also not particularly putting down ppc developers, i know that they are pretty great too.


It's cool, I sometimes do that too. WinCE devices used to be gameboys with 1 hour of battery life, LOL, but not anymore. They're great devices for corporations and power users alike. Corporate software like desktop emulation, and server access makes PPC great. However, most PPCs stay in briefcases, purses, etc and not in pockets. Funny huh? Pocket PC.

Yeah, the PPC is dropping in price, but those are the old models which are not very good, with the exception of the 3600 series iPAQs. I am only impressed with the 560 series HP Jornadas and the new 3800 iPAQs. Very nice pieces of hardware and software. Still power hogs though. The iPAQ has about a 1200 mAh battery I believe, and can't last 2, 3 hours with MP3s. My Clie, with 800 mAh can outlast the iPAQ by far anyday. That's 50% more battery capacity...

Pocket PC is getting better, but still not quite there yet, maybe before I graduate from HS? haha...

Motorolla has the technology there, and the development. I mean, 400 MHz PPCs will be out soon, so I think Motorolla could get 100 MHz at least on a Palm. I think they're making 33 MHz processors because they're cheap and selling these devices for as much as PPCs for more profit. I dunno, that's just me.

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By: bradhaak @ 06:17 AM

quote:
Originally posted by dampeoples
That is weird, I'm looking into purchasing a Mac and I think it comes with Palm Desktop loaded.

It comes with the desktop for OS9. This can be used to some extent in Classic mode in OSX, but there is no native synch support for OSX - None.

Palm has said that it would be available by the end of the year, but so far nobody has seen it.

By: yosemitesamiam @ 04:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bradhaak
BTW - Pocketmac is supposed to ship next week. This will give PocketPC users synch capabilities with both Mac OS9 and OSX.

Palm doesn't have any native support for OSX yet - how wierd is this?


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By: ToolkiT @ 02:29 AM

As I said before it is hard to compare the 2...
They are both made for a different purpose.

I always use a car analogy.
Palm machines are like Subaru Foresters/Honda CRV:
relatively small, versatile, get you where you want to go, fuel efficient (relatively)
PPC are like big Winnebago RV's; Big, heavy, everything including the kitchen sink, guzzles fuel etc.

Both are fine motorvehicles and do their job well. it is just a matter of what job you need to get done...

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By: Alslayer @ 12:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ToolkiT
As I said before it is hard to compare the 2...
They are both made for a different purpose.

I always use a car analogy.
Palm machines are like Subaru Foresters/Honda CRV:
relatively small, versatile, get you where you want to go, fuel efficient (relatively)
PPC are like big Winnebago RV's; Big, heavy, everything including the kitchen sink, guzzles fuel etc.

Both are fine motorvehicles and do their job well. it is just a matter of what job you need to get done...



Nice analogy
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By: ToolkiT @ 04:23 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Alslayer



Nice analogy
I bow down to the master
(takes a bow)

/me is honored!
(starts to blush)

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By: dampeoples @ 04:32 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ToolkiT

/me is honored!
(starts to blush)


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Re: (currently) Is PALM or PPC better?. i believ
By: Yorick @ 04:43 AM

quote:
Originally posted by robert sibell
I am currently a student in the 8th grade. <snip>
im on the net reading about pda's all day, so i know what im saying.(correct me if im wrong)

during class? getting a good education there I guess?
(I'd say "Thorn" like Toby but I don't know how many tildes go in it.)

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By: robert sibell @ 01:30 AM

I like the analog"

Just like if you want a desktop computer
or a labtop

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