Registered: Apr 2000
Location: Santa Clarita, CA
Posts: 198

I've researched the Vaja cases pretty well, about as well as you can research one without actually having one to play with. My question is this:

What's up with the belt clip?

I know that it comes off, but from the pictures I've seen, and from James' review, there is a metal "stud" that the clip clips onto (allowing it to swivel also).

Can the stud come out after you remove the clip? When it does (if it even does), doesn't that leave a fairly unattractive hole in an otherwise attractive case?

I gues my biggest question is:
WHY ISN'T THE BELT CLIP AN OPTION!?

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Registered: Apr 2000
Location: New York
Posts: 24

It is an option. Vaja cases can be purchased with or without the belt clip.

Registered: Apr 2000
Location: Santa Clarita, CA
Posts: 198

Is that new, or am I just blind?

I went to their site, and came really really close to ordering one (even filled out the form) and never saw an option to specify with or without the clip.

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Registered: Apr 2000
Location: Santa Clarita, CA
Posts: 198

I went back to their site.

I see it as an option on some of the Palm cases, but the Visor case has no such "beltclipless" option.

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Registered: Feb 2000
Location: Moved to Clie Land
Posts: 331

E-mail them. If they can personalize my case with my name, they can certainly omit the stud/beltclip. Realize that these are handmade cases...kinda like Whataburger...they don't make it 'till you order it...IF you buy direct from them.

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Registered: Jul 2000
Location: Fort Myers, FL
Posts: 2

Yes there is a small stud that remains when you remove the beltclip. I have carried my Vaja case in my pocket since I've had it and never noticed the stud at all. It is very flat with rounded edges. I read your review too and agree you shouldn't have given such a wonderful case a "thumbs down" without the necessary information. I don't get why you had to do that anyway?

Registered: Apr 2000
Location: Santa Clarita, CA
Posts: 198

Valvoline -
I gave it the thumbs down because of the beltclip. It may seem trivial and unimportant, but for me (my OPINION) it was the deal breaker. I thought I had plenty of information (I've seen many pictures of it, including close-ups of the belt-clip stud, etc.) and have tried to find out everything I could about it. Without having one in my hands, I can't know any more about it. After someone posted another opinion stating that it WAS an option, and that I didn't know what I was talking about, I started this thread. I wanted to verify that I was wrong, and if I was, I would post a positive opinion correcting and canceling out my negative one. So far, I haven't gotten a solution to the problem other than a "custom order" as suggested by Mike.

The bottom line is this: I think it's a great case - I really do. I just think that the clip should be an option. I will never carry my Visor on my belt. I don't want a stud, no matter how small or smooth sticking out the back of my Visor. I use it flat on my desk a lot. I also don't want a hole from where the stud used to be in the otherwise beautiful case.

That's why it was for me a deal breaker. If it was an option and I could get one without it, I would.

Registered: Sep 1999
Location: Seattle, WA, USA
Posts: 406

James, I think you should limit product user reviews to people who ACTUALLY OWN the product. I have seen way too many 'reviews' that were by people just moaning and groaning about something that they dont' even own. My thought is, if you don't own it, and don't like it, keep it to yourself, there are PLENTY of other people out there who this is a viable product for, and they want reviews from people who own the product and like/dislike it.

M.02

Registered: Apr 2000
Location: Hawaii
Posts: 99

I still wish it were possible to edit one's own review, that would not only solve the bad review problem but would enable me to edit a giant "wall of text" review that I accidentally put in (these text entry boxes make it hard to figure out how long a review is) !!!

Registered: Apr 2000
Location: Santa Clarita, CA
Posts: 198

Vertigo -

So are you saying that the only people who have a valid negative opinion about a product are those who have spent the money on it and THEN think it sucks?

I don't have to buy one to know that it doesn't come without a belt clip, and that I won't buy one until it does.

I said in my review that EXCEPT for the belt clip issue, Vaja has a "WINNING" case.

Why are you guys being so danged defensive about Vaja??!

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Registered: Apr 2000
Location: Hawaii
Posts: 99

I think the reason people on this thread are so defensive is the same reason Macintosh users are so strident in defending their Macs, we Mac users feel our Macs are the best computers we can find so we get all defensive when people say anything negative about our choice of desktop computer. The Vaja case is such a good (excellent!?!) case that I think some buyers get peeved when someone says it's not all that and a case of beer .

But your complaint is a legitimate one, trying to insert the Vaja case with beltclip stud into my Rhinopack 3000 will cause the stud to get hung up on the numerous elastic straps, I imagine you have similiar type concerns (stud getting snagged or rubbing on things) . The cases will probably be offered in non-stud format in the future, but for now your comment is a valid complaint. Anyway, when Vaja offers a non-beltclip version someone could just post a review saying the option is available, that would take care of things.

But I still wish I could edit my own review tho, one of my reviews is SOOOOO long winded !!!

Registered: Dec 1999
Location: brooklyn
Posts: 268

kamizuno:

i'm interested in the vaja/rhino 3k combo. do you actually use this combo, or was it a hypothetical example? i want the beltclip option, but i also want to put it in the r3k, with my stowaway... does this fly, or is it wishful thinking?

(i'm waiting for the hotsyncable version, by the way, that way my visor will only leave the vaja case for battery replacements. they told me the visor hotsync case will be available at the end of july.)

matty.

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Registered: Apr 2000
Location: Hawaii
Posts: 99

Hi matty,

Yes I actually do have both the Vaja and Rhinopack 3000, the combination works surprisingly OK, with the only problem being the stud getting occasionally hung up on the numerous elastic straps that line the RP 3000. Flipping the Vaja over so the stud faces away from the straps solves that problem tho. If the Vaja belt-clip stud were smaller it could get caught in the 3000's inner mesh pocket, but the stud is bigger than the holes in the mesh that make up the inner pocket, so I don't see that as being a real problem. Overall, the RP 3000/Vaja combo works well, the Vaja protects the Visor and the RP 3000 allows you to carry a surprising amount of stuff (like my Stowaway). The occasional snagging of the stud in the 3000's elastic straps is the only negative thing about this combo as far as I can see (and it actually doesn't snag on me all that often, so I personally find the combination satisfactory). If anyone has any further experience with this combo, please feel free to post your experiences . Hope I answered your question!

By the way, the hot-synchable case sounds great, I think your waiting for that case is a good idea. I know when you get your Vaja that you'll be as impressed with the quality as I am, my Vaja case is the best one I've seen so far .

PS-The way you use the elastic straps will determine how frequently the Vaja stud will get caught on the 3000's straps, using the straps to wrap all around the Vaja will cause the snagging problem to occur almost all the time, while just laying the Vaja on top of the straps will cause it almost never snag. I compromise and just use one strap to hold one corner of my Vaja, that way the straps don't snag and my Visor still won't fall out of the bag when opened. Just FYI. And now my post is big now, see why a long winded guy like myself wants a review edit capability .

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Registered: Apr 2000
Location: Santa Clarita, CA
Posts: 198

Kamizuno - thanks for the words of support - I was starting to feel a little bombarded!

Have you had any experience with an EB Slipper case? I would like to compare notes. As I've said, I would probably get a Vaja if the belt-clip was an option.

I hope the "hot-sync-ability" is an option too, when it comes out. The EB Slipper (which I use now) is syncable, but I think I'd rather it wasn't and didn't have the cut-outs.

Registered: Apr 2000
Location: Hawaii
Posts: 99

Hi mchlwise,

The EB Slipper case is a nice case, one of my friends has one and he's very satisfied with it. The Vaja and EB Slipper are actually rather similiar, with the differences being a heavier gauge leather in the Vaja, and the use of a snap instead of the little poofs of velcro on the EB Slipper. Basically, my personal opinion is that the Vaja is a EB type case that has been improved in some critical ways (thicker leather, a reset port in back and a snap instead of velcro). Also, the optional name personalization and advanced graffiti chart makes this case feel like a very polished product . Hopefully as they get more and more business, they can introduce more options in the future, like no clip or synch ports for people who don't need those features. FWIW, since Vaja is such a apparently new company, the fact that they're already working on synchable cases is impressive, these guys are working like crazy to build their business, I hope to see much more of these cases in the future !!!

PS-OOP ACK!!! Bill the cat is one of the funniest cartoon cats I can recall, I love his bugeyed expression!!!

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Registered: Jun 2000
Location:
Posts: 17

Hi people just a quick note on the Vaja metal stud. Mine BROKE! It came out of its socket from the case where it was sewn in. And this was after 2 months of use. BUT I use it extensively and clipit on and off at least 20 times a day. I had purchased mine from Direct Case (www.directcase.com). I think they are a distributor for Vaja here in America. (And they ship for free!)
They sent me a new case Overnight with no questions asked!!! So service wise I am extremely happy. As I am with the case. It has definitely protected my visor. I can't even count how many times I went to clip it in and I missed and the visor ended up on the floor!
ok see ya

Registered: Nov 1999
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 195

I used a Rhodiana for several months, but got the Vaja two months ago. It's a fantastic case and the stud for the belt clip is virtually undetectable, even when carried in a jacket pocket.

What I find, though, is that the clip itself doesn't have nearly the tension of the Rhodiana, and the positioning of the clip makes it sit up higher on the hip. Overall I've found that I have to be careful when I use the belt clip because a move the wrong direction can cause the clip to open! When I first got the case it flew off my belt as I was getting out of my truck and my IVX when crashing to the pavement and rolling away - no damage, not even to the Vaja!

I find that due to the small size of the stud and the relative lack of security with the clip I keep it in my pocket about 60% of the time. I haven't had any regrets about the purchase whatsoever. (and my father loves the Rhodiana I gave him!)

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Registered: Dec 1999
Location: brooklyn
Posts: 268

the case is now offered in a non-beltclip version, by the by... but still no hotsyncing.

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