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That **** linguistics chick needs to ride outside - during an atmospheric re-entry.

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Well, no accounting for taste...

Oddly enough, I rather liked the first episode, and really liked the second.

It is 1000% better than that warmed-over dreck which was Star Trek: Voyager.

The crewmembers seem to be real, believable, fallable people, as opposed to those blandly well-adjusted "Stepford Crewmembers" and their spacegoing posh hotel in the other Trek series.

Some of the small touches were great! The piping on the uniform's sholder pads matches the color-coding from ST:TOS. And the weird graph inside of T'Pol's scanner hood had the look and feel of the original series. The torpedo room was cool, as well.

Not to mention the reference to Axanar. That is

• the name of the race who saved the Enterprise's derri�re in "Fight or Flight"
  
• a reference to the ST:TOS episode "Whom Gods Destroy". Garth of Izar won an important battle in the Axanar system a few years before ST:TOS.
  

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have you noticed how next generation, classic episodes, and enterprise all have the same characture? i mean spock, data, and this new vulcan are all smart, exact, punctiliouse. and in voayager their was an actor of every race, indian, asian, american, etc. it was supposedly the first "correct" star trek

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Re: Well, no accounting for taste...

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Some of the small touches were great!

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I finally got to watch the show. Sure wish I had seen last week's episode! Overall I like it but I agree with ditching the whiney woman! I hope they fix this character's flaw real quick.

What I was most impressed with was Captain Archer. He is the most human acting captain I have seen yet. He actually doesn't know everything, yeah! I think I will enjoy the captains logs too. I most definitely was ROFLMAO when he said T'Pol had a way of sucking the air out of the room! My exact thought...

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Re: Re: ASTRO-POLITICS

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Originally posted by Winchell
I always had the impression that the Rigel-n planets were less like the United States and more like Casablana or those Barbary Pirate corsair cities.

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When I heard they were headed for the Rigel system, I was really hoping they'd visit Rigel IV:



I forgot to watch the second episode last night - I'll have to catch it Sunday. I wasn't all that enchanted by the premiere... things I had read about the production design all talked about the 'low-tech' look of the show, and I took that to mean the ship would look something like the Nostromo in Alien; very utilitarian. Instead, the ship looks more streamlined and advanced than even the Enterprise from TOS.

The writing was bad, too. I'm hoping it will just be a matter of time before they hit their stride... but in the meantime it's nice to see TNG back in reruns on TNN.

My god, I'm criticizing Star Trek on a bulletin board... I really am a nerd.

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and in voayager their was an actor of every race, indian, asian, american, etc. it was supposedly the first "correct" star trek

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Completely agree about Hoshi! She was the *one* thing, the only aspect of the pilot I didn't like and they made the second episode entirely about her?????? Talk about opposites, I loved the first episode and was very disappointed by the second. Can't wait until they get rid of her!

The story for the second was so-so overall if you take Hoshi out of it. I don't understand why anyone would choose to confront an alien species that is obviously a lot more advanced and is barbaric to say the least. My fingers are crossed for #3.

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I agree. I remember despising the Deanna Troi character the first couple of seasons of TNG in a similar fashion. I never liked the character, but I grew to hate her less, mostly because they downplayed the empath thing as time went on.

I thought the second episode was so-so too, but I did dig the fact that they actually put on space suits - sort of a nice change of pace from prior series, when you could almost forget they were in, well, space.

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Episode 3 sucked...

Greetings,

Ok, I watched the 3rd episode last night, and it completely sucked. They wasted an entire hour on Vulcan-Human racism? In the end, Tucker learned tolerance, but T'Pol learned absolutely nothing; and she is the biggest problem with this show (besides lackluster scripts).

As far as realism goes, I don't think any captain would tolerate the amount of crap that T'Pol dishes out. She questions and second-guesses every single word that comes out of Archer's mouth, and it's getting really tired now.

I don't think I've ever been more dissapointed with a Star Trek series. I hope they can improve, because last night was a complete waste of time.

My two cents...

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I am enjoying the series so far. The worst thing is having to watch the commercials for other UPN shows -- is UPN the last resort for TV programming or what? Public Access cable looks like Masterpiece Theatre compared to some of that stuff.

I have liked all the ST series to varying degrees, but the one thing I never did like on any of them was just how WELL everything worked. The society was utopian to the hilt; everyone was perfectly competent; all the technology worked perfectly unless tampered with; and so on. When the Maquis were involved in Voyager, I thought it added a nice twist -- a group of Earth people who did not go along with the whole Federation idea. A little bit of dissent did wonders for the show. I just have a hard time believing that a sufficient amount of time and technological advancement would root out basic human fallibility like Gene Rodenberry seemed to think it would.

So with Enterprise the thing I enjoy most is how imperfect everything is. The transporters don't work right (re: the away team member who got blowing leaves embedded into his skin in episode 3!). Humans and Vulcans don't necessarily like each other. They have to dock shuttlecraft -- heck, they have to use shuttlecraft -- and make their own food (no replicators). The crew members have human failings, misgivings, and mixed motives about being in space. Despite some of the "inconsistencies" folks here have pointed out I think this series is more consistent with the way things probably would have gone in the history of the Federation in human terms.

Thumbs up!

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re jh's comment:

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I'm surprised no one mentioned that Klingons in TOS looked like people, but here they are STNG like. There were monetary problems during TOS that prevented them from using fancy makeup, but when Worf talked in the DS9 ep about the tribbles it made it seem like Klingons were supposed to look like humans back then. ****

i noticed this too. but then it occurred to me that maybe what we saw in TNG (and now see in Enterprise) is the "real" appearance of the Klingons. then, the TOS appearance was the aberration, and not the TNG appearance. (maybe there was a genetic mutation which was recessive and eventually disappeared. or maybe the klingons - with the help of some more scientific race! - discovered a cure to the genetic mutation which caused the TOS appearance.)

of course, i'm just covering for the makeup problems. but it's a credible explanation. actually, i wish that they had made the Klingons look like the TOS version - heck, it's not like non-trekkies would care......

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Completely agree about Hoshi! She was the *one* thing, the only aspect of the pilot I didn't like

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I know that I am probably just bein brainwashed, but I don't mind the opening credits with that cheesy song anymore (and "The Phantom Menace" was a great movie, trust George, he knows what he's doing). It gives me the same feeling, to an extent, that I had the first time I saw "Contact". Yes, the music is not traditional "Trek" fare, but it helps me feel that this is [b]us[/u]. Earthlings, taking to space. I think it matches the imagery well. Maybe it has to do with the fact that this is just "Enterprise", and not "Star Trek: Enterprise".

Also, have you noticed how they refer to the ship in the show? It's always "get back to Enterprise", not "get back to the Enterprise". Not just the crew, but everyone on the show, even the Suliban guy interrogating Klaang. Any Navy people around? Is this a standard practice or does it even matter?

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