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Matter Man
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Is the Visor being EOL'ed ? Looking at what Handspring is up to suggests that something new is going to be coming out in the next few months to replace the ageing brick that they call the visor. How do I know this . . .

Initally there was a $50 rebate on the Visor Delux to stimulate sales, now this price reduction has been made permenant. Additionally they are now throwing in a $25 case to stimulate sales. The Platinum has similarly just been given a $50 rebate (good till June 17) at which point regular price will become $249 and it too will get a free case IF there are still a lot in stock. These are standard marketing stratagies for reducing inventory levels prior to the introduction of a new model. Handspring is also working with its favored partners to similarly reduce inventry of certain springboard modules with a $30 rebate.

When will this new model be introduced and what will it be ?

My best guess based on the June 17 date, is to expect an announcement at the New York PC World in June or July. The new product will have a similar, but thicker and perhaps longer form factor than the Edge. A new springboard module form factor will also be announced, that attaches to the Visor in a manner similarly to the slipper that is now required for the Edge to use existing Springboards. Look for products from Good and Blocks (EyeModule).

Price and Specs:
The new product will use the 33 mhz processor and 8 mb of ram with a price of $249 > $299 to place it between the $399 Palm 500 and $199 Palm 105

Any remaining first generation Visors will be reduced from $199 to $174. The 2 mb version will remain at $149, but include a cradle.

The Edge will be reved up to the next generation of processors - probably 66 mhz. Memory may also increase due to its current low price. Price will remain the same at $399.

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miradu
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Do you work for Handspring?!?!?

Such confidenet telling! wow! EVEN EXACT DATES!

This is what I belive:

I also had thought that HS will introduce new products in June/July

I think that they will revamp the Dlx and low end seris, ala palm did with the III to m100, but they'll make theirs actually look good. I don't think that they would reduce screen size.

I think that they will KEEP the idea of a platinum - a mid range Vsr, that is the best in features, but it's not as slim as the edge. I think though that the platinum will be the first to get the 16mb mem and the 66 mhz processor (do they even exist?!?)

I DON'T think that they will make ths sp slot external. What I DO THINK AND HOPE is that they will keep one internal slot, but make ANOTHER springboard slot, that will be standard. It would be like an edge connector. So you could have 1 sb for mem, one for devices. And they could go either way, and when you wern't using the 2nd sb slot the Vsr would stay small.

I DON'T THINK that they will make a totally different colro handheld if they do. Remeber, HS only releases 2 vsr's at once. So they releasethe low end one, and the wirless one that donna promised. I think THAT one will be in color. It will be intresting to see.

I think that if HS keeps the larger screen size, they can still have a good selling Vsr at $149. I think though, that the 2 mb should be dropped. Make everything either 8 mb or 16 mb. Lead the way. HS whould take palm's VFS and expand on it, hopefully making it so that it becomes standard. I WANT VFS!

I don't know about sb modules.. but Good is a logical choice.. I also think hs might introduce their own to stimulate growth..

This is all speculation.. making infrence about the world..

I'm not like MAtter Man with exact dates

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quote:
Originally posted by Matter Man
Initally there was a $50 rebate on the Visor Delux to stimulate sales, now this price reduction has been made permenant. Additionally they are now throwing in a $25 case to stimulate sales. The Platinum has similarly just been given a $50 rebate (good till June 17) at which point regular price will become $249 and it too will get a free case IF there are still a lot in stock. These are standard marketing stratagies for reducing inventory levels prior to the introduction of a new model. Handspring is also working with its favored partners to similarly reduce inventry of certain springboard modules with a $30 rebate.


Handspring is also in coopetition with Palm, so the price reductions are probably more of a reaction to Palm and other hyped handhelds, like the new Cli�. The VDX sold like hotcakes because $249 for an 8MB PDA was a great deal at the time it was released. I'm surprised it's taken Handspring this long to reduce the price. And price reductions are always preceded with an experimental rebate to see if increased sales offset the reduced margins; otherwise these companies could get stuck with a bad (for them) pricing decision they can't back out of. Handspring really needs something to compete with the m105, hence the m105 price for the VDX.

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My best guess based on the June 17 date, is to expect an announcement at the New York PC World in June or July. The new product will have a similar, but thicker and perhaps longer form factor than the Edge. A new springboard module form factor will also be announced, that attaches to the Visor in a manner similarly to the slipper that is now required for the Edge to use existing Springboards. Look for products from Good and Blocks (EyeModule).


Donna Dubinsky mentioned a new generation of Visors with wireless connectivity out of the box. Jeff Hawkins is an admirer of RIM, and he's never expressed much enthusiam over his own VisorPhone's dial-up internet connection. So Jeff and Donna will probably follow Palm's wireless road map and make a Visor with a BlackBerry-esque always-on internet connection.

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The new product will use the 33 mhz processor and 8 mb of ram with a price of $249 > $299 to place it between the $399 Palm 500 and $199 Palm 105

Any remaining first generation Visors will be reduced from $199 to $174. The 2 mb version will remain at $149, but include a cradle.

The Edge will be reved up to the next generation of processors - probably 66 mhz. Memory may also increase due to its current low price. Price will remain the same at $399.


That all sounds reasonable, but the processor speed will depend on what's available from Motorola. At any rate, all I want from Handspring is a color Edge.

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I don't think Motorola has any 66MHz Dragonballs. If they did then most likely every palmos manufacturer will be announcing new products based on them in the summer. And flash RAM is not the same thing as ordinary PC RAM.

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ernieba1
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Could this be the Visor Snap or Visor Twist?

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I think the Visor is actually a neccesary product. Some people (not me, of course) only use their visor to store apointments, write memos, and store adresses. These people don't need more than 2 megs.

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quote:
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I think the Visor is actually a neccesary product. Some people (not me, of course) only use their visor to store apointments, write memos, and store adresses. These people don't need more than 2 megs.

I don't believe you.

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You wouldn't actually meet a person like this, because they wouldn't be walking around showing off their visor. There aren't many on forums like this, they aren't obsessed enough to join.

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I don't know how well the Visor sells, but supposedly the m100 went through the roof, despite having only 2MB of RAM, non-upgradeable OS, etc. If the Visor is selling nearly as well, I don't think they'd discontinue it.

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I also do'nt belive you. Everyone I nkow who has 2mb, is very dic-content. IT's not possible anymore to have a handheld with 2 mb. Avantgo takes 1.5 MB itself!

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I think that 2mb is good enough for anybody who doesn't associate with power users. Ignorance is bliss...

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Talking i have a visor 2mb!

hi, yes i have a visor with 2mb ram. iv had it for about 6 months and i filled the memory in the first 3 weeks! i am a seventh grader in minneapolis, minnesota. actually spring lake park, minnesota. i use my visor to play games help me with homework etc. i dont use it to store tons of dates and phone numbers like the head of a coperation would but i guess i have about 46 addresses of stores and friends. and i do you my datebook todo list and memopad. when i dont have paper around i use my visor to start essays. then copy them to the computer. i bought the visor 2mb version because i didn't have much money at all. and i thought i would never fill 2mb. but i did and about 4 and a halp months later i bought the hagiware 16mb flash modual. although i still think the visor 2mb should stay in stock for people that cant afford but can affored a flash modual later.

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quote:
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I also do'nt belive you. Everyone I nkow who has 2mb, is very dic-content. IT's not possible anymore to have a handheld with 2 mb. Avantgo takes 1.5 MB itself!


Most of the Palm and Visor owners I know, and all the ones who aren't techies, don't use anywhere near 2MB. They rarely use anything other than the core organizer apps that come on their handhelds. Think about it: VisorCentral has fewer than 9,000 members, while Handspring has sold close to 1.5 million Visors. I've said it before and I'll say it again: VC members are not representative of typical Visor owners, most of whom has never even heard of AvantGo. This is precisely why the much-maligned (even by me) m100 was such a huge success: outside of a small online coterie of PDA fanatics, most people still think of handhelds as address books.

I went to Staples this weekend, and saw the new Royal DaVinci in stock. Unlike the previous models, which I hated, the new one is beautifully designed (smaller and better-looking the the m100). The price was $69.95. The memory? 1MB. I really liked the way it performed, and if I wasn't a power user (I went to Staples to pick up an EM2) and wouldn't consider a second handheld redundant, I would've snapped it up. If I outgrew 1MB at some point in the future, $70 isn't a big loss. There are still a lot of people out there who simply can't justify paying three figures for what they consider a DayRunner replacement.

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I was being sarcastic. I am aware that we are the pda elite.

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"My best guess based on the June 17 date, is to expect an announcement at the New York PC World in June or July...."

I'm going to PC Expo in NYC in June...I'll let you know!

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Way back in January (hehe) I decided that a PDA would be a good thing to get. I am a power user when it comes to computers, but I never figured that I would get so addicted to a PDA. At the time I felt that PDA's were nothing more than a ToDo List and a Datebook plus a few phone numbers. I was sooo close to buying an M100 at the time and i'm certainly glad I didn't, I can't read such a small screen. Then I found out about Visors and when I heard about it's springboard slot the first thing that crossed my mind was whether or not you could get an MP3 player for it. Well that sealed the deal and I am a VERY HAPPY VDX Power User. I wouldnt' be caught dead without this thing near me. I've even started programming some apps for my little buddy. And i'm seriously debating buying a Prism this summer.(fingers crossed about a new visor in june/july)

Staying on the Prism subject, the on campus bookstore at my school sells Prism's and they're having a 20% off sale but I'm not sure if that'll apply to the Prisms. That will be a tough decision. Prism for $360 or wait for possibly new visor in june/july.

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Campus bookstore? Is it a bookstore that actually isn't Barnes and Noble or Borders?

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Yeah, it sell textbooks and such for classes here. I inquired about the 20% off and it doesn't apply to PDA's .. Sniffle Sniffle.. Guess I'll wait for this new visor. Please be in June!

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maybe this rumored new visor will be a color version of the edge to compete with the M505 that palm recently released.

i love my prism but its like carrying a brick around in my pocket. if they released a slim version i would be happy.

just imagine a visor edge/prism, wow!

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I think Handspring is looking at Palm's ill-timed announcement of the m50x series, and keeping mum on confirming any new products or issue dates. Palm let the cat out of the bag on the m500 and m505 trying to steal thunder from the Visor Edge, and they dried up their sales as people waited for the new ones rather than buy a Palm Vx.

I'd love to see a new Visor come out in June. I don't think I'll be getting it, but it would be nice to have a wireless visor in the market with RIM-style capabilities. I imagine it would reduce the market price of some of the land-line modem springboards, one of which is probably my next Visor purchase.

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