Registered: Mar 2000
Location: Richmond, VA, USA
Posts: 151

I think we MAY finally be beyond the point where web pages must be made to run optimally for text-only browsers. I don't think the web should be "dumbed-down" to the least common denominator--WAP browsers/text-only browsers. The WWW is an inherently visual medium. To not take advantage of it (and of great design products like Flash) would be a poor business decision. Like it or not, most people browsing the web can view Flash animations (compatible with IE 4 and later, and non-beta Netscape Navigator). Very few are navigating the web with text browsers. Why would they?

Registered: Jan 2000
Location:
Posts: 241

I wrote handspring, and they said that they're having trouble with the site. It should automatically tell whether you have flash or not, and direct you accordingly. They're working on the problem now.

Until then, just go to http://www.handspring.com/index.asp

Registered: Oct 1999
Location: Baltimore MD, USA
Posts: 717

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Originally posted by na2rboy:
Very few are navigating the web with text browsers. Why would they?

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Registered: Jan 2000
Location:
Posts: 241

It's fixed!!!

Handspring fixed the site! It now works if you don't have flash!!! (and it still looks pretty cool!)

Way to go Handspring!!
-Petro

Registered: Sep 1999
Location:
Posts: 81

Just a few rational questions/statements:

1. How many people actually browse the web on a WAP phone? I tried it 1 time on a friend's phone and vowed never to do it again. I though a PDA's screen size was bad, but come on, a phone has like 3-5 lines of display space. Who in their right mind would go through the trouble and expense to actually browse the web this way?

2. As na2rboy pointed out, why should we continue to "dumb down" the web when we have all of these great tools available to develop with? I myself am a fairly experienced Web developer and don't use Frontpage or other bloatware products, but Flash is a very quality product.

3. Handspring only added a single simple introduction to their site, not even changing their navigation, only a single page changed, and yet so many of you have a problem with it. Even people who know little about the web, who are most likely surfing with IE (preinstalled in Win 95/98), would be able to see the new intro due to a very simple ActiveX control that sees that you don't have Flash 3/4 and installs it for you in about 5-10 seconds. Those of you with Netscape obviously know enough to install your own browser and should be able to handle the 30 second download and 30 second install of the Flash player, which would give you access to a lot of great animation and web sites out there!

For those of you who don't agree with me, that's ok too, you can just play with your 8 pack of crayons while I pop open my new 500 crayon box!

[This message has been edited by LuckyChuck (edited 06-30-2000).]

Registered: Jan 2000
Location:
Posts: 241

The problem people were having was that the site WASN'T detecting if you didn't have flash! I tried to browse there from work, behind a firewall w/o flash, and it sent me to the flash page. That's what people were upset about. Now the page is fixed, so it's great regardles of weather you have flash or not. The problem before, was that though only one page was changed, it was the first page you reach, so if you were sent to the flash version and didn't have flash, you couldn't get to the rest of the site at all!

Just wanted to clear things up.
-Petro

Registered: Jun 2000
Location: Boston, MA, USA
Posts: 7

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The problem people were having was that the site WASN'T detecting if you didn't have flash! I tried to browse there from work, behind a firewall w/o flash, and it sent me to the flash page. That's what people were upset about. Now the page is fixed, so it's great regardles of weather you have flash or not. The problem before, was that though only one page was changed, it was the first page you reach, so if you were sent to the flash
version and didn't have flash, you couldn't get to the rest of the site at all!

Just wanted to clear things up.
-Petro

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Registered: May 2000
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 1429

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Originally posted by miradu2000
When U see the flash, do you notice that only the TOP half of the visor changes color?, the other stay's ice. And don't the buttuns look a bit different. Could this be the Visor II ? ?
Oh what would they name a second visor?

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Registered: Mar 2000
Location: San Diego, CA USA
Posts: 89

Now just stop that!

Mirandu2000,

It hurts to see you berate yourself like that. You are NOT stupid, in fact, I enjoy your postings at VisorCentral and I hope that you continue to post here.

No one can predict the future... but one things for sure... the Handspring marketing department is very clever when it comes to naming products. I find their naming scheme to be much easier to understand than Palms numbering scheme.

Ed

PS - Did you like the poem in the "Do the Smilies Stink?" discussion?

Registered: May 2000
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 1429

Yes.. I know.. *bashful* That comment was sarcastic though, and truthful..

I agree, I LOVE hand's naming scheme..

The pomm was very clever.

-miradu2000
How many more disconnected thoughts and ideas can I put in one post?

Registered: May 2000
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 1429

Re: Now just stop that!

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Originally posted by Ed Gain
[B]Mirandu2000,

It hurts to see you berate yourself like that. You are NOT stupid, in fact, I enjoy your postings at VisorCentral and I hope that you continue to post here......

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berate: To rebuke or scold angrily and[or] at length.

Remeber.. I'm a depressed Teenager, living in a world where profiling is common (don't ask where that came from!?!). I do it all the time.. (berate) (ok.. not THAT healthy.. but.. I DO have people to talk to! (and their VOLUNTARY, not the damn pchycyitrist I had to go to in 3rd and 4th grade.. and maybe 9th Heck! MY parent's don't know about them even!)

I should stop ranting.. This is what happens when nobody's on AIM for me to talk to..

-miradu2000
notice a N ? I don't..

Registered: Mar 2000
Location: San Diego, CA USA
Posts: 89

My bad

Miradu2000,

Cut-n-paste error. Or more likely I thought your handle rhymed with Xanadu. Either way, sorry for the typo. :-(

Believe it or not, when you are a speed typist like I am, it is very easy to make mistakes like that.

I also wanted to mention to you that I really didn't write the poem. Someone sent it to me and I thought that it would be appropriate for that discussion. I wanted to point out to people that even IF someone uses the spell checker it will not guarantee that their post is error free.

My recommendation to you is to keep on chatting away online. The skills that you are exercising (reading, typing, research) will help you later in life and will most likely improve naturally over time.

It has been a long time since I was a 'depressed teenager' and the world was arguably different then. But my advice to you is try to enjoy it, and don't take it so seriously. Before long you will find yourself in a world where you have to support yourself and a world where demands on your time will most likely exceed the number of hours in a day.

Take care...

Ed