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Matt Nichols
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I was looking at hacks at PalmGear and came across a hack for the Visor TaleLight Springboard, which of course I'd never heard of. I went to the guy's site and he had a link to a company(?) called Tech Center Labs who are planning on selling a flashing LED springboard module for alarms. Its supposed to ship in a few day for $29.95. The site is at: http://www.talestuff.com/

Personally I think $30 is a little overpriced for a flashing light, especially when the SixPac will have it. Nice option for those not wanting to spend $ on the SixPac though. I'm just glad to see another module comming out!

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Yes, I followed the same trail you did.
A vibrating alarm would be nice, if it was cheaper than the Six Pack.
Otherwise I agree that their unit seems a tad overpriced.

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I wonder why he did not combine it with that IR blaster he is selling, boosted IR and a flash alarm. great combo...

Right now I guess it's a nice springboard but a bit overprized...

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I just saw on Palm Gear that its now shipping.

Still doesn't have any pics on their website...

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Personally I think $30 is a little overpriced[/B]


Unfortunately there is a bottom threshold for the Springboards that isn't far below $30. Consider the basic formula that marketing uses 25% of the price, The retailer gets 25% to 50%, the cost of manufacturing is typically about 10% to 30%. Any profit has to come out of the the rest, AFTER R&D and overhead is taken care of. Sometimes there isn't enough and product lines or businesses go broke...

The basic parts to build a Springboard module are about $10 for something simple, really simple. Then package it. That's the 10% to 30% for manufacturing. Here, assume best a case of 30% and you get a retail price of about $30. Assume worst case and you get a retail price of about $100... Ouch indeed.

At $30 if it was sold through the stores they would take roughly half (between store and marketing budget), leaving about $5 for R&D, overhead, errors, and profit.

At $30 and he sells it directly then it takes his time and effort to do those things and frankly he deserves the extra.

Then there is the whole risk element... You must spend money to make money.

One way to get around all of this is to mass produce so that the small profits add up. That requires greater upfront risks, bigger marketing campaigns, etc. More risk, _might_ get more profit. Read big business, venture capital, unlikely without massmarket appeal.

Another way is to keep your costs low and do it all yourself, the small-entrepreneur / craftsman method.

Another trick, with both of the above, is to add more features that don't increase the manufacturing costs much but greatly increase the perceived or real value of the product. e.g., Tailight + vibrator + accelerometer/tilt sensor + Smartcard slot or memory + good developer support for hooks into your little gadgets. This makes it reach a broader audience, compete more effectively with other vendors and leverages off of the basic costs. In many cases you can add extras without it costing too much more. But beware of creaping featurism like that which brought us MS-Word and Windows... Ugh.

If the price is too high for you, build your own...

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Originally posted by pubwvj:
Unfortunately there is a bottom threshold for the Springboards that isn't far below $30.



Yes, that's fairly simple to understand, but it doesn't change the fact that $30 is still too much to pay for an LED. Basic economics indicates that if demand isn't high enough to cause a price above your cost of production, you need to rethink your product.

If he'd put some more thought into the product he'd have something more purchasable, and perhaps he'd get some more demand. Personally, I will _not_ consider this springboard, because in addition to being ridiculously feature deficient, it also lacks the ability to install and uninstall itself -- this is a trivial ability of Springboards, and there's NO reason to not include it. Instead, you have to download and register a 3rd party _shareware_ app. How stupid is THAT?

This also eliminates from consideration the much cooler vibrator-alarm module from the same guy.

Fortunately, I see that innogear just started selling a combination vibrator-alarm and 2M flash module for $6 _less_. If they were wise enough to include automatic installation and uninstallation, that's worth considering. (Right now I don't need it; if I need extra memory I'm going to want as much as possible.)

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