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You are garbage...

... and so am I, clearly ... and so is everyone who's not an M.D. or a lawyer.
I found this out absolutely via Elmhurst Hosptal's "kidnapping mill" that STILL HOLDS AT LEAST 25 (and probably MUCH more) "mentally-ill patients" - adding 2 more, say, when 2 are released every few weeks ... so "there are never any empty beds."
The quack "psychiatrists" bill Medicare (against your consent) $1,600 PER DAY to keep you there in their medical concentration camp -- and probably, say, $100 "per dose" of "medication," so they get about $2k "per patient," or $50,000.00 PER DAY.
(Of course "everyone" is assigned DRUGS -- er, "medication" from THE DAY you get there ... IRRESPECTIVE OF THE REASON; THEY HAVE NO WAY TO TELL IF YOU'RE "REALLY MENTALLY ILL," AND GIVE NO STANFORD-BINET OR OTHER TESTS AT ALL. JUST "OPINE" THAT THEY "THINK" YOU NEED THIS OR THAT DRUG!)

The N.Y.P.D., E.M.T. & A.P.S. broke into my home 50 days ago (I VIDEOTAPED IT, BUT NO ONE EVEN WANTS TO SEE THE TAPE!) with a fabricated warrant (submitted by my landlord's vicious attorney, just to "teach me a lesson"), saying I was "an escaped mental patient" THAT HAD SPENT 6 MONTHS AT CREEDMOOR -- A CLEAR AND BLATANT LIE (AMONG MANY) and just took me away w/out further explanation.
It was clear from the MANY persons I had seen this done to (DOZENS) over the course of 50 days of illegal imprisonment that THEY VIOLATE CITIZENS' RIGHTS LIKE THIS ROUTINELY (and NOT just when a landlord's vicious attorney wants to destroy your life), FRAMING THEM AND FABRICATING ANY AND ALL LIES. THEN PSYCHIATRISTS START "MEDICATING YOU," THE MOMENT THEY MEET YOU -- WHETHER YOU NEED IT OR NOT!!!. (I AM ENGLISH-SPEAKING AND KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT MY LEGAL RIGHTS, SO I REFUSED ANY DRUGS -- BUT FEW OTHERS KNEW THEY WERE "ALLOWED TO" REFUSE!!! EVEN SO, THEY ULTIMATELY THREATENED TO "FORCE-MEDICATE" ME FOR REFUSING ... VIA INJECTIONS [WHILE "COMPLIANT" OTHERS "TOOK THEIR MEDICATION" ORALLY] ... WHICH THEY COULD HAVE DONE IF I WASN'T RELEASED WHEN I WAS FINALLY SEEN BY A JUDGE 50 DAYS AFTER I WAS ILLEGALLY "CAPTURED" FROM MY OWN HOME. THE EVIL JUDGE "DISCHARGED ME," BUT WAS NOT INTERESTED IN FURTHER INVESTIGATION.) SOMETHING MUST BE DONE ABOUT THIS.
Even in the U.S.A., it took 50 days (of serious unpleasantness) before this was straightened out. This is why it's so important to have 24/7 video on our "authorities" w/a Web feed, so we can see what is being done to honest, innocent citizens the moment it happens ... not find out much, much later.
14 days after my release "Adult Protective Services" (which hardly anyone knows about -- but is like "Child Protective Services" for adults ... and has the POWER TO TAKE OVER YOUR LIFE, PRESUMING YOU'RE INCOMPETENT TO DO SO, DESPITE ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY) IS STILL HARASSING ME.
They probably still have the power to re-kidnap me, as many inmate-"patients" (of all ages, ethnticites, and educational levels, but usually: poor English; poor finances; and poor family ties) had told me happened to them time and again.
Please print this out for everyone you know, and tell them this can happen to any of us at any time, for virtually no reason. And it's almost impossible for an ordinary person to get you out; not friends, family, or co-workers; only expensive lawyers -- or the 1 Mental Health Svc. lawyer they have on staff for 25 people.
Don't wait until it happens to you.
Yes, even in the U.S.

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ok.... good to know

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I would have completely rejected that, except, a few years ago, my uncle was taken off to a mental hospital for taking my grandma hostage. He didn't actually take her hostage, but he was just back from a real hospital (he's sick) and was on morphine (he left early). So the point is, anything's possible.


Buuuuut, you could try to make us believe it, a little more. Like providing any proof, that we could see.

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hmmm

Diagnostic criteria for 297.1 Delusional Disorder

A. Nonbizarre delusions (i.e., involving situations that occur in real life, such as being followed, poisoned, infected, loved at a distance, or deceived by spouse or lover, or having a disease) of at least 1 month's duration.

B. Criterion A for Schizophrenia has never been met. Note: Tactile and olfactory hallucinations may be present in Delusional Disorder if they are related to the delusional theme.

C. Apart from the impact of the delusion(s) or its ramifications, functioning is not markedly impaired and behavior is not obviously odd or bizarre.

D. If mood episodes have occurred concurrently with delusions, their total duration has been brief relative to the duration of the delusional periods.

E. The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition.

Specify type (the following types are assigned based on the predominant delusional theme):

Erotomanic Type: delusions that another person, usually of higher status, is in love with the individual

Grandiose Type: delusions of inflated worth, power, knowledge, identity, or special relationship to a deity or famous person

Jealous Type: delusions that the individual's sexual partner is unfaithful

Persecutory Type: delusions that the person (or someone to whom the person is close) is being malevolently treated in some way

Somatic Type: delusions that the person has some physical defect or general medical condition

Mixed Type: delusions characteristic of more than one of the above types but no one theme predominates
Unspecified Type

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Re: You are bkbk...

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Originally posted by ertonbel
[...] Don't wait until it happens to you.
Yes, even in the U.S.

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Location: Minnesota
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In most jurisdictions, someone can be held for only 72 hours against their will and only if they are deemed by a qualified physician (i.e. a psychiatrist. I as a pathologist could not put a hold on someone) to be a danger to themselves or someone else. If they are to be held for longer, the individual seeking the hold (either the hospital or the state) must go to court where the person being held has legal representation. A hearing is held and then a judge makes a determination. This process is then repeated at some frequency. At least where I trained, the maximum hold was 1 month and then another court appearance was needed for the judge to hear evidence to extend the hold.

By the way, the Stanford-Binet is an IQ test and is not used to detect mental illness.

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Re: Re: You are bkbk...

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Originally posted by Toby
Oh look, bkbk's back.

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It's the 24/7 survelliance that gives it away.
Then again it could be an escaped clone.
The Government is doing experiments. Right now. As we speak..., um, I mean write.

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I work in the mental health field, so spotting this guy's rambling as indicative of some serious pathology. I have had the opportunity to sit with some clients that ramble on like this - helps break up the monotony of the day!

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I work in the mental health field, so spotting this guy's rambling as indicative of some serious pathology.

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Re: Re: You are bkbk...

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Oh look, bkbk's back.

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What's odd is that this isn't this person's first post. His previous five posts seemed sane enough.

Jason

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Boy, when you all go off topic, you go WAY of topic...I wonder if our crazy guy here owns a visor...hmmmm...what kind would it be?
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Originally posted by volcanopele
His previous five posts seemed sane enough.

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Boy, when you all go off topic, you go WAY of topic...I wonder if our crazy guy here owns a visor...hmmmm...what kind would it be?
Alex.

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Originally posted by volcanopele
What's odd is that this isn't this person's first post. His previous five posts seemed sane enough.

Jason

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I suspect he needs something a bit more than valium. His rant sounds a little more paranoid than someone who is a wathdog type. I hope that he does get help.

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"Guilty Until Proven Innocent"

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Originally posted by ernieba1
I would have completely rejected that, except, a few years ago, my uncle was taken off to a mental hospital for taking my grandma hostage. He didn't actually take her hostage, but he was just back from a real hospital (he's sick) and was on morphine (he left early). So the point is, anything's possible.

Buuuuut, you could try to make us believe it, a little more. Like providing any proof, that we could see.

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Re: "Guilty Until Proven Innocent"

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Originally posted by ertonbel
I tried to attach some still photos of the N.Y.P.D. in full riot gear breaking into my home <snip> I wish it was just like my e-mail, where I can just paste them in.

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my two cents

Hmm. Your post does bring up a good point: one of the major failings of the american justice system comes in regards to individuals with mental health issues.

You obviously feel that you don't have any but then again, if I were to ask someone who is paranoid if they were actually paranoid, they would likely say "No. I'm just worried about the government colluding with aliens and planting microchips in my brain to receive transmissions of the movie "Ishtar" 24/7 thereby making me crazy".

As a citizen, one of my primary rights is to feel safe in my community. The Supreme Court has ruled in numerous decisions that the authorities have broad latitude in removing individuals who pose a threat either to themselves or to others.

HOWEVER: the Court also has upheld a process by which individuals detained can prove to a court that they are NOT a danger to themselves or others.

Even this system has failings. I have a relative who was assisting on a prosecution of a deaf pakistani man who was suspected of murdering an entire deaf polish family over a debt that was owed.

Since the deaf pakistani was only able to sign in a rudimentary home-sign (despite best efforts, no one could find anyone able to convey complex ideas/topics to him), it was debated that since he could not participate in his own defense, the prosecution was trying to have him placed in a mental institution until communication arrangements could be made.

My relative was uncomfortable with this because they felt the prosecution was opening the door to the idea that ALL deaf people could be found mentally incapacitated and actually had me meet the lead prosecutor to show him the human side to what he was proposing.

It would have made for a VERY interesting legal issue but the police, upon doing more follow-up investigations, found evidence that the pakistani man was NOT the murderer and let him go. In this case, justice did prevail. An innocent man was held but the system did its homework and let him go.