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Of course, I do agree that there are certain urges that can not be gotten rid of or totally ignored (to eat, to sleep, to have sex, to post at VisorCentral) and it then becomes a question of using your self-determination to figure out *when* it is appropriate. Hence teaching abstinance as an option.

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Ok, KC, no more posting for you... let's see how long YOU last!

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Older AND wiser, no?

Careful there, you old geezer... don't make me take out my teeth and throw them at you!

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With the high divorce rates int he West is marriage really necessary? I think the institution of marriage is on its last legs. Its still around because a lot of women still insist on it. Perhaps they see it as a form of ownership (I am married to him so I own him)? I have seen cases where women get pregnant to "hold" a man. In some cases, this have the reverse effect whereby the pregnancy scares off the men.

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I think there's another factor here, and that would be age. At 43, my views on matters such as these are vastly different from someone in their 20's. Also, I suppose married vs. single might have some impact.

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With the high divorce rates int he West is marriage really necessary?

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Obviously not for you.

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I think the institution of marriage is on its last legs. Its still around because a lot of women still insist on it.

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Hmmm... I know a lot of men that want to be married, and some that even insist on it.

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Perhaps they see it as a form of ownership (I am married to him so I own him)?

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I also know a lot of men that want it this way, too.

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I have seen cases where women get pregnant to "hold" a man.

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While this does happen, I'm sure it's a very small percentage overall.

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In some cases, this have the reverse effect whereby the pregnancy scares off the men.

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Unfortunately, this happens far too often. However, I have a solution to this problem: abstainance!

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Obviously not for you.


Hmmm... I know a lot of men that want to be married, and some that even insist on it.


I also know a lot of men that want it this way, too.


While this does happen, I'm sure it's a very small percentage overall.


Unfortunately, this happens far too often. However, I have a solution to this problem: abstainance!

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You really are clueless about pregnancy. In my experience pregnant women are usually very active (my wife was still blowing glass 8 1/2 months -8 hours a day- into her first pregnancy and she is by no means extraordinary in that regard). They do need to rest about a week after the little suckers pop out, but they are in no way "incapacitated". This, is of course, assuming the pregnancy was uneventful - which most are. Manysingle women figure out how to do this all without the help of a man. I do agree that it's easier for a woman if she has a concerned father helping out, but most things are easier if you have someone helping out.

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I guess I am, never been pregnant myself
Just see a lot of pregnant women who are limited in their movement and hear a lot of stories about women getting (morning) sickness some cases it is bad enough that they cant work..
Knowing the moodswings and physical changer my wife and sister can get due to hormonal change (during periods) I can only imagine what would happen during 'the real thing'

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Re: well...

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Actually, the joke amongst women (gee, am I revealing secrets...) is that we seem to get *more* attention after we start wearing an engagement ring.

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I know it works the other way too (personal experience).
Somehow men get a lot more attention when they are allready 'taken'
My theory is that 'taken men' are less 'on the hunt' and less focused on 'scoring'. a 'taken' man also is most likely not some kind of freak since at least one other woman thinks he's OK..
And lastly of course there is the element of competition and egoboosting if somebody prefers you over his/her current partner..

So KC, tell me, am I even close?

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You mean it's not y'alls obligation to take care of us *all the time*?

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Sorry to burst your bubble , but after the emancipation movement you gained more rights but lost these privileges... (nothing comes for free)

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Only kidding. I think I understand what you are trying to say, and I think I would agree with the statement that "women who are pregnant are more limited in their physical activity during certain stages of their pregnancy, assuming they want a healthy baby and pregnancy."

So far as the unable to hold a normal job part, one of the associates here was sitting in the courtroom for a hearing, got (morning) sick, leaned over and puked in the trashcan and kept on going.

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What a trooper.. how did the judge react to that? just curious..

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It's really hard to discuss natural instincts of man v. women in the context of the modern world, as you stated earlier. But as Toby also stated earlier, some of what is often perceived as "just nature" is most likely the result of justification of behavior via blaming nature. (See the previous post about pornography.)

In other words, an individual's right of self-determination (i.e. ability to choose) should in most cases override "urges", whether those urges are from nature (as you think) or from society's justification (as I think).

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I agree

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Originally posted by K. Cannon
Of course, I do agree that there are certain urges that can not be gotten rid of or totally ignored(to eat, to sleep, to have sex, to post at VisorCentral) and it then becomes a question of using your self-determination to figure out *when* it is appropriate. Hence teaching abstinance as an option.

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The part in italics show why I think abstinance only works in theory.. the flesh is willing and the mind is weak as an (translated) dutch saying goes...
Most people simply wont have the willpower...

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If MarkEagle tells his girls that they are not to have sex as long as they live in his house (that their only option is abstinance), I don't have any problem with that just as I wouldn't have a problem with someone telling their kids that they are not to smoke pot/do drugs. OBVIOUSLY, the kids are going to know that there are other options than abstinance, and hopefully if the parenting is being done right (and the problems with premature sex and/or drugs are discussed) then the child would *want* to stay in the parent's house...etc...(all easier said than done, I'm sure)

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Off course you should tell them that that is the best way to go, but I wouldnt rely on it to work.. be sure you have a backup plan... and dont judge your kids too strong if their willpower wasnt strong enough.. they are only human..

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Ok, KC, no more posting for you... let's see how long YOU last!

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Originally posted by yardie
With the high divorce rates int he West is marriage really necessary? I think the institution of marriage is on its last legs. Its still around because a lot of women still insist on it.

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Right. Let's do away with marriage, let everyone live with/sleep with cohabitate with whomever they want. Any children that are born, let's collect them up and put them all in state-run centers b/c the government should be taking care of everyone's kids anyway. There, no more bother with silly marriages...

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Knowing the moodswings and physical changer my wife and sister can get due to hormonal change (during periods) I can only imagine what would happen during 'the real thing'

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Re: Re: well...

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Somehow men get a lot more attention when they are allready 'taken'
My theory is that 'taken men' are less 'on the hunt' and less focused on 'scoring'. a 'taken' man also is most likely not some kind of freak since at least one other woman thinks he's OK..
And lastly of course there is the element of competition and egoboosting if somebody prefers you over his/her current partner..

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and dont judge your kids too strong if their willpower wasnt strong enough.. they are only human..

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MOOD SWINGS?!?!? WHAT THE BLANKETY BLANK DO YOU MEAN MOOD SWINGS??! Dear? what's wrong?

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Oh, that's much too mild...


Woman: How many women with PMS does it take to change a lightbulb?

Man: I dunno... how many?

Woman: 3...

Man: 3? Why 3?

Woman: BECAUSE IT DOES, YOU IDIOT! DON'T YOU KNOW ANYTHING?

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Re: Re: Re: well...

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Well, there's a difference in an engagement ring and a wedding ring. *Most* women hate women who date married men. Pretty much including me. Then again, I don't have much patience for the men who date married women either...

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We all are, ToolkT, we all are!!

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No, I'm not, I'm super human... all human weaknesses are super strong in me


P.s. happy Big three-O to me

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Ha some good old sarcasm.

I know hundreds of people that were born out of wedlock -- I being one of them -- and I did not end up in state run centers.. nor was I ever dependent on the state for anything per se. One can have a long term and stable common law relationship without ever getting married.

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Right. Let's do away with marriage, let everyone live with/sleep with cohabitate with whomever they want. Any children that are born, let's collect them up and put them all in state-run centers b/c the government should be taking care of everyone's kids anyway. There, no more bother with silly marriages...

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Mmm IMHO if a man is engaged or married doesnt make much difference, either way he's in a serious relationship..
(same applies for women off course)

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One can have a long term and stable common law relationship without ever getting married.

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