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K. Cannon
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quote:
Originally posted by clulup
On the other hand, you have to admit that President Bush senior was the first president who almost got killed by a Bretzel, no?

Neither George Herbert Walker Bush nor George Walker Bush have had a near death experience with a Bretzel, AFAIK.

Dubya choked on a pretzel. GHWB puked on the Japanese PM, as pointed out by Toby. (On his shoes. Under the table.)

06-17-2003 07:02 PM

ToolkiT
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Re: Our Leader

quote:
Originally posted by K. Cannon

Neither George Herbert Walker Bush nor George Walker Bush have had a near death experience with a Bretzel, AFAIK.

Dubya choked on a pretzel. GHWB puked on the Japanese PM, as pointed out by Toby. (On his shoes. Under the table.)

is there actually such a thing as a Bretzel ?
I assumed he just made a typo and you were taking the mickey of him...

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06-18-2003 02:07 AM

Yorick
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Re: Our Leader

quote:
Originally posted by K. Cannon
GHWB puked on the Japanese PM, as pointed out by Toby. (On his shoes. Under the table.)

I was rather upset about that incident. They pre-empted one of the last episodes of The Flash to tell us all about it. I could care less, I wanted to see Professor Zoom.

06-18-2003 03:16 AM

clulup
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Re: Re: Our Leader

quote:
Originally posted by ToolkiT

is there actually such a thing as a Bretzel ?
I assumed he just made a typo and you were taking the mickey of him...

Sure there are Bretzel, at least in German (see e.g. www.party-bretzel.ch/) (also written as Brezel). Is it my fault if you guys take a German word and then add a typo in front? However, since you seem to be accustomed to writing pretzel, I'll try to stick to that error as well

Still I would like to add how very, very, very sad I am to see that SOME people here make fun of poor little me nonnative English speaker...

06-18-2003 09:15 AM

KRamsauer
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Re: Re: Re: Our Leader

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Originally posted by clulup

Sure there are Bretzel, at least in German (see e.g. www.party-bretzel.ch/) (also written as Brezel). Is it my fault if you guys take a German word and then add a typo in front? However, since you seem to be accustomed to writing pretzel, I'll try to stick to that error as well

Still I would like to add how very, very, very sad I am to see that SOME people here make fun of poor little me nonnative English speaker...

Funny how intuition works. I just kind of figured it was intentional, and figured it very well could have been German.

For all you conspiracy theorists out there.....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...satoday/5252375

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06-18-2003 03:09 PM

cml
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Leader

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
For all you conspiracy theorists out there.....

You know, sadly, it is COMPLETELY believable that Dubya would do something like this to save his precious, environment-trashing OIL. In the process, it makes him look like a complete idiot.

- CML

06-18-2003 03:46 PM

clulup
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Leader

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
Funny how intuition works. I just kind of figured it was intentional, and figured it very well could have been German.

For all you conspiracy theorists out there.....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...satoday/5252375

Since you have a Swiss German name, I would have thought you _knew_ my typo stemmed from German.

Regarding the conspiracy story, I don't believe it. The way it is told, Bush had the idea on his own, which seems extremely unlikely to me.

06-18-2003 04:21 PM

KRamsauer
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Originally posted by clulup
Regarding the conspiracy story, I don't believe it. The way it is told, Bush had the idea on his own, which seems extremely unlikely to me.

HAH! That's great!

Seriously though, I like to make fun of him as much as anyone though I think deep down that he has a better grip on things than people think. I don't think this is all a coordinated act, but there are things that make me think he has no reason to fight the image. When it comes down to it, he has managed to become the leader of the free world, get basically all his agenda passed at home, change the governments of two countries overseas and solidify the US as the sole power in the world despite having less-than-ideal economic conditions at home and abroad. I'm not (in this post) agreeing or disagreeing with any of his policies/accomplishments, but as a matter of fact alone, this man has many notches on his belt. He can't be as stupid as he looks (though at the least, I should say that's impossible.

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06-18-2003 04:39 PM

KRamsauer
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Leader

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Originally posted by cml

You know, sadly, it is COMPLETELY believable that Dubya would do something like this to save his precious, environment-trashing OIL. In the process, it makes him look like a complete idiot.

- CML

I don't really see the logic, though. I mean, the central analogy was that of horses and cars. We are overlooking the fact that cars allowed comfortable all weather travel. The Car -> Segway transition would be a step backward in that respect. Before it replaces cars, they need to become all-weather. Of course that may happen, but right now I don't see it (but then again, as the piece pointed out--these things are almost impossible to foresee).

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06-18-2003 04:45 PM

ToolkiT
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Re: Re: Re: Our Leader

quote:
Originally posted by clulup

Sure there are Bretzel, at least in German (see e.g. www.party-bretzel.ch/) (also written as Brezel). Is it my fault if you guys take a German word and then add a typo in front? However, since you seem to be accustomed to writing pretzel, I'll try to stick to that error as well

Still I would like to add how very, very, very sad I am to see that SOME people here make fun of poor little me nonnative English speaker...

You are referring to a swiss site though.. I believe in Hoch Deutsch it is spelled with a P too.. At least thats the way I remember it from my trips to germany...

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06-19-2003 02:42 AM

clulup
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Leader

quote:
Originally posted by ToolkiT

You are referring to a swiss site though.. I believe in Hoch Deutsch it is spelled with a P too.. At least thats the way I remember it from my trips to germany...

Sorry, ToolkiT, in this case your memory fails you: check out this excellent dictionary at http://dict.leo.org/ if you don't believe me (it gives the more common "Brezel" without t, but certainly with B. If it is of any comfort for you, in the past days of Middle High German and Early New High German, also the forms brezel, brenzen and pretzel were used.

BTW, Swiss German is a German dialect and not a written language, so we write Hochdeutsch as well, not Swiss German (at least the Swiss who speak Swiss German, the others write French, Italian or Rhaeto-Romanic)

06-19-2003 09:14 AM

clulup
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Leader

quote:
Originally posted by KRamsauer
HAH! That's great!

Seriously though, I like to make fun of him as much as anyone though I think deep down that he has a better grip on things than people think. I don't think this is all a coordinated act, but there are things that make me think he has no reason to fight the image. When it comes down to it, he has managed to become the leader of the free world, get basically all his agenda passed at home, change the governments of two countries overseas and solidify the US as the sole power in the world despite having less-than-ideal economic conditions at home and abroad. I'm not (in this post) agreeing or disagreeing with any of his policies/accomplishments, but as a matter of fact alone, this man has many notches on his belt. He can't be as stupid as he looks (though at the least, I should say that's impossible. )

I believe some of his achievements will backfire: I do not think he can show any evidence that the WMD-story was more than an excuse for the war, and I do not think the US economy will be much better by the time of election. But what do I know? I agree that it is quite an achievement that he became the leader of the US, but calling him the leader of the free world is certainly wrong. When it comes to the world outside of the US, dictator is a more precise description.

Have you already seen the text published here: http://www.geocities.com/anarchiebu...reignpolicy.htm (and in many other places, don't know where it comes from originally)

It nicely shows the complexity of politics, complexity not everybody looking for easy answers (like Bush) can cope with...

06-20-2003 10:37 AM

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