Registered: Feb 2000
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I began noticing this behavior a few days ago. I typically HotSync in the morning before I leave for work. I'll put my Visor in the cradle, hit the button, and let it sync. After it syncs, I'll remove it, place it on the side, and turn it off. Typically, I'm in the middle of doing something on my computer, so I'll set my Visor aside.

I've noticed that after about a minute to a minute and a half, the Visor turns itself on. Nothing special. No alarms fired. It's as if it's playing a joke on me or it's possessed.

I don't use HackMaster. Can't be a hack.

Clues?

Registered: Dec 1999
Location: DFW Metroplex, TX USA
Posts: 58

All right, Andrew. Thank you VERY much for posting this. I thought I was going senile and was just forgetting to turn my Visor off after the hotsync. Okay, so that might still be a possibility.....

Anyway -- yes, I've been seeing the same behavior.

In case you were wondering a watched Visor does not exhibit this trait.

-- Michael

P.S. I was using Hackmaster, but I removed it from my Visor after I stopped using TealGlance.

Registered: Dec 1999
Location: DFW Metroplex, TX USA
Posts: 58

I lied. A watched Visor will turn itself on after a hotsync.

I saw it happen.

-- Michael

Registered: Feb 2000
Location:
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Thanks for the replication, mcgaw. I've done some more research on this. Seems that when I have activated the BackupBuddy conduit in the HotSync manager, I see the behavior I described earlier. I'm also using BackupBuddy's TimeSync app as well. By chance, are you too?

When I have BackupBuddy deactivated, my Visor doesn't automatically turn on if it's turned off after a HotSync.

Registered: Dec 1999
Location: Connecticut USA
Posts: 2682

I'm using BackupBuddy and TimeSync on my Visor and I am not experiencing the auto-on symptoms with my Visor.

Whenever I sync, after it completes I generally remove the Visor from the cradle, tap the Apps button to exit HotSync and return to the apps screen, and power off the unit. As I said, I've never had it turn on by itself.

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Registered: Dec 1999
Location: DFW Metroplex, TX USA
Posts: 58

Andrew -- Yes, I'm using BackupBuddy and I'm also using TimeSync.

Mark -- The step I leave out of what you're doing is to hit the Apps button. I leave my Visor at the Hotsync screen.

I'm testing this right now. I've just done a hotsync. I've removed the Visor from the cradle (USB on Win2000). I've powered the Visor off, set it down and I'm watching it. Waiting... waiting... waiting... and <dink> It powers back on! By itself.

I've updated something in the Palm Desktop software. I've done a hotsync. Removed the Visor from the cradle, tapped the Apps button. Powered the Visor off, set it down and I'm watching it. Waiting... waiting... waiting... and <dink> It powered back on again!

So (for me), hitting the Apps button before powering off the unit doesn't appear to make any difference.

This is kind of weird. And it is absolutely repeatable.

Anyone have any ideas?

-- Michael

Registered: Feb 2000
Location: SW Virginia
Posts: 290

I'm not having this problem, nor am I using Backupbuddy or TimeSync, but I have a theory.

Starting with PalmOS v3.3 several of the time syncing programs crashed during the Hotsync. I appeared that PalmOS v3.3 didn't like a program on the Palm changing the time during the Hotsync. The solution some of the author took was to set an alarm during the Hotsync for a few minutes. When the alarm goes off, the program does not play a sound or puts up a dialog box, it only resets the time appropriately. TimeSync might be doing this, but when it does it is inadvertently turning the device back on.

To test this, can you temporally disable the TimeSync conduit, or remove the TimeSync program from your Visor, and then test again.

Hmm, I said that I did not have this problem. Well while I was writing this message I did the test on my Visor. Well it just did it. I said that I don't use TimeSync, but I do use TimePALm. So maybe TimePALm has the same problem.

Testing ... Hmm, TimePALm's conduit cannot be disabled. Deleting the program. ... Well after waiting a bit, it has not turned itself back on. I think this may be the cause.

Now, why does MarkEagle not see this. Either he is running a different version of TimeSync, or the time drift between his Visor and his Desktop is so small that the TimeSync program does not have to set the time on his Visor. To test this he could change the time on his Visor by a few minutes and then Hotsync.

Registered: Oct 1999
Location: Baltimore MD, USA
Posts: 717

I wondered if it had something to do with the timesynch.

Until I read this thread, I was in denial. I figured that I must be inadvertently hitting one of the buttons when I closed the flap on my Rhodiana case.

Registered: Dec 1999
Location: DFW Metroplex, TX USA
Posts: 58

Further experimentation:

For the last few hotsyncs I've turned off the BackupBuddy conduit.

With this conduit disabled, my Visor does not turn itself on after a hotsync.

After noting this behavior, I removed the BackupBuddy TimeSync "plug-in" from the Visor and have done a couple of hotsyncs with the BackupBuddy conduit running.

With BackupBuddy running and TimeSync removed from the Visor, the Visor is not turning itself back on after the hotsync.

I put TimeSync back on the Visor, hotsynced, and now the Visor is again turning itself on after the hotsync.

-- Michael

Registered: Dec 1999
Location: Connecticut USA
Posts: 2682

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Originally posted by potter:
Now, why does MarkEagle not see this. Either he is running a different version of TimeSync, or the time drift between his Visor and his Desktop is so small that the TimeSync program does not have to set the time on his Visor. To test this he could change the time on his Visor by a few minutes and then Hotsync.

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Registered: Dec 1999
Location: Connecticut USA
Posts: 2682

Alright... what's going on here???

I just repeated the above tests on a second PC (at work). The Visor DID NOT turn itself on after syncing. Tried it 3 times, too.

What's different, you ask? Well, at home it's Win98 with USB. Here at the office it's NT 4.0 with serial. Same HotSync setup on both machines (conduit-wise). The only difference is the OS and cradle connection.

Now that I'm totally obsessed by this situation, it may be weeks before I sleep again.

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Registered: Feb 2000
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Interesting, MarkEagle. Maybe move the time ahead on your NT box and see if at sync time, the time changes on the Visor.

I sync with NT4 via serial at home, and that's how I noticed this behavior. So, my setup at home doesn't coincide with your setup at the office somehow. That's why I suggested to make sure your Visor is time syncing with your NT machine.

But do get some sleep!

Registered: Dec 1999
Location: Connecticut USA
Posts: 2682

Ok... I got some sleep (after all, I was at work )...

Now, I'm sitting here at home in the midst of a SERIAL sync... Waiting patiently for AvantGo to do its thing (painfully slow on a serial connection)...

The sync is now complete. Going through my usual motions... and placing my trusty Visor in its OFF state at the side of the keyboard... waiting... still waiting... waiting some more... <yawn>... <stretch>... (it was just a short nap at work )...

Guess what??? The Visor turned ON!!! Now what??? I guess that's what the Auto Shut-off is for!...


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