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CF adapter vs MemPlug

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Originally posted by EricG
The big advantage the memplug has over the CF solutions is all the applications (including the backup/restore programs)are stored in FLASH memory on the springboard -- the memplug is a "true" springboard, so, for instance you have to hard reset your visor while you are on the road and away from your PC, well, it's pretty easy to restore from the smart media card with the memplug as the PiBackup program is on the springboard and you don't have to "hotsync" it back to be able to restore your visor... In my mind this is why the current CF springboards are not acceptable (no disrespect to Dave Kessler & KOPSIS - I really admire the work he has done)

The memplug is available now.. It's unknown how long it will be until the CF versions are around..

Also, (retail - not eBay) SmartMedia seems to be cheaper than compact flash megabyte per megabyte.

I also want to add PiBackup seems fairly quick, possibly quicker than my Handspring backup module.


Also, CspotRun allows you to read PDB (docs) directly from the card, no need to load them into the Visor's memory, again, this is available RIGHT NOW..! I have over 40mb of converted adobe acrobat PDF files (text only) loaded on my smart media card, the entire reference manuals for two relational database server products.. (very handy)

No, you can't run applications directly from the card -- well not yet anyway... No "flash" solution can yet..

The PiMover program is really nice too, I used it to move over 2mb of seldom used programs, pqa, and PDB files onto the smartmedia card, freeing up valuable Visor internal memory for other purposes.

One last thing, PiViewer lets you view your digital camera pictures on your Visor -- if your camera uses smartmedia (mine does, very handy for me), additionally you could copy any jpg image to the card and view it.


I would WITHOUT HESITATION vote for the memplug as the MODULE OF THE YEAR -- It's really nice, multi purpose, and inexpensive..

Any more questions?

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Re: Re: Re: Flush is lush

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Originally posted by yardie
I sure hope that I do not have to get a new module in order to use the new features. I am puzzled how you going to make the compact flash solution a TRUE springboard module.

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Storage, media & expanded closetspace

I'm really excited to see what kopsis has planned so far we've seen some wicked tips from the inner workings of them, mainly I started this thread cause I wanted to expand my storage, & possibly the capabilites of my visor deluxe. the flush fitting innopocket (now with the tips of further softwre updates) sounds like the sweetest option of all, but my question to our advising insider is : Would I have to wait for the new PnP adapter.. or can I get the current innopocket now & update the software? whats the best plan of action mr. insider?
thanx 4 the tips, keep em comin.
Nykto.

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Feel disappointed

To be honest, I am really disappointed with these empty promises being given out by Kopsis. It real provides no info of the new CF Adapter and software.

After calculation, I find the owning cost of MemPlug comparing to having similar programs on CF adapters, CF adapters seem to be more expensive. Indeed not all of these programs are available right now and not being promised when it will be availiable. I feel I will go for MemPlug at this moment.

By the way, I hear that not all brand of CFs are supported by CF adapters. Is it true?

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Memplug is 4 me!

I have used the MatchbookDrive since it came out and I'm very dissapointed with it, anyone want to buy mine?
I have ordered a Memplug.
I get fatal exceptions VERY often with the Matchbook and when I don't and transfer a file/program into RAM it is somehow corrupted and won't run!

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I just want to add that I feel Dave Kessler & Kopsis was responsible for, or at least getting things accelerated with, these springboard based "flash memory" storage device solutions in the Visor market.. I think if he hadn't done his work early on, we wouldn't have the choices we do today, or at least not for a some time to come..

I personally give him credit for accelerating this particular market..


Thanks Dave..

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My thoughts...

I will second the notion that Kopsis really drove the market here.

That being said. I think you are looking at 2 different potential markets - one for CF & One for memplug.

If you just want external storage of your files, then CF may be the way to go. reading & writing to the cf card is a heck of alot faster than to memplug. But as mentioned, you won't be able to recover from a hard reset from the CF card.

On the other hand, memplug is a true springboard and you can recover from a hard reset. But, it is really slow to read/write off the card. The other added feature is the gMovie and CSpotRun capabilities. But, I dont see any reason why these programs couldnt be modified to read files from a CF card.

I own both and find that, for my uses, the CF adaptor is they way to go. I own a backup module, so recovery from a hard reset via the CF card is not a priority. What I want to do is store Doc files (Wordsmith doc format actually). the CF adaptor is the much better choice for this because of its speed. I edit these files constantly and in about 30 seconds I can do a backup to CF - memplug takes like 2-3 minutes

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Re: Re: Flush is lush

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Hang in there I'm not at liberty to discuss the details, but I can say that Kopsis is working with the CF adapter vendors as well as third-party software developers to give CF users the same kinds of capabilities that MemPlug users currently enjoy ... and more

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Whoa Dave, I knew it! I knew it! With you spilling some "beans", I am definitely waiting now for what Kopsis have! Phew, was real close in putting in the order for memPlug. So, get it out quickly, Dave (and hopefully, I do not have to change my Innogear Adapter )!

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Re: My thoughts...

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Originally posted by hamiltondj
reading & writing to the cf card is a heck of alot faster than to memplug. But as mentioned, you won't be able to recover from a hard reset from the CF card.

On the other hand, memplug is a true springboard and you can recover from a hard reset. But, it is really slow to read/write off the card

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Re: Re: Re: Flush is lush

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Originally posted by siewmeng_tan


Whoa Dave, I knew it! I knew it! With you spilling some "beans", I am definitely waiting now for what Kopsis have! Phew, was real close in putting in the order for memPlug. So, get it out quickly, Dave (and hopefully, I do not have to change my Innogear Adapter )!

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to PiDeveloper and Korpsis

Hey guys!

Maybe you need to think about your customers but not about how to be a leader in memory modules market (or software for them) for a Visor?

How about made one set of software instead having hardware dependend docreaders, img viewers, movers, etc?...

It will be good you made universal specification and just produce drivers for different hardware (for example as shared library) and all applications may use same API to acces different modules.

Actually there are two more external memory solutions for PalmOS. It's a onw used in TRG and another used in Sony's CLIE. And now CLIE is a leader on PalmOS extentions to support memstick. There are lot of interesting software...

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Good point!

All you people. EVERYONE involved needs to talk to one another. They ll need to develop a standered s othat Palm OS can talk with the devices, and than from that standard, the hardware cummunicates with. IT should all look the same to the Visor. We need programs that will run and work of these modules. A standard will make that acceptable. Right now I see 3. Memplug. Kopsis. And Innogear (IF the innodrive ever comes out). Everyone needs to work together.. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE! IT will decide the survival of memory springboards for the Visor!

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Re: Feel disappointed

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To be honest, I am really disappointed with these empty promises being given out by Kopsis. It real provides no info of the new CF Adapter and software.

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Re: to PiDeveloper and Korpsis

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Originally posted by Euxx
How about made one set of software instead having hardware dependend docreaders, img viewers, movers, etc?...

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Re: Memplug is 4 me!

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Originally posted by sigsteve
I have used the MatchbookDrive since it came out and I'm very dissapointed with it, anyone want to buy mine?
I have ordered a Memplug.
I get fatal exceptions VERY often with the Matchbook and when I don't and transfer a file/program into RAM it is somehow corrupted and won't run!

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NX Drive

Does the new NxDrive use the same software as InnoPocket and MatchDrive? Or it uses diff. file system?

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Different SOftware

It seems that it using a different software from what Kopsis provides.

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Re: Re: to PiDeveloper and Korpsis

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Originally posted by dkessler
My guess is that even Sony will adopt the Palm removable storage API once it is released.

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I have used the MatchBookDrive and MemPlug and I can't really decide which is better. CF already comes in larger sizes than SmartMedia, but the costs per megabyte are comparable. I really like being able to back-up and restore my Visor with the Memplug, but CF works a great deal faster. CF also wants more from the batteries, though. SM seems more "fragile" to me than CF.

faFileMver and piMover are comparable applications, although I've had piMover "crash" (?) every time I've tried to "move" (rather than copy) something from RAM to SM; faFileMover doesn't have a "move" but rather after the copy is complete the items (to be) copied remain selected and can then be deleted with the touch of another button.

Whoever it was that thought the MemPlug was being updated at the end of March was confusing it with the MatchBookDrive MD-100, which was supposed to be released around then; I haven't checked lately to see if it is available yet. It differs from the original in that the CF is flush with the top of the adaptor. In this regard, the MemPlug and current MatchBookDrive are also the same in that the memory protrudes above the adaptor -- I've now seen others' comments about it, but I was very disappointed when my MemPlugs wouldn't let me clip the lid on the back of my Platinum. Hey piDeveloper: any chance this can be fixed? (I realize it won't happen very quickly...) And Dave: just what is the problem with some CF cards that they don't work? (Yes, I realize you're more in the software end but perhaps you can get a good answer for us!)

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Re: Re: Flush is lush

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Hang in there I'm not at liberty to discuss the details, but I can say that Kopsis is working with the CF adapter vendors as well as third-party software developers to give CF users the same kinds of capabilities that MemPlug users currently enjoy ... and more

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