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Re: Well...

God forgive me for my inability to let idiocy slide.

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...But for the money, you're better off with the Platinum for the fact that all of your old goodies will run on it. (Keyboard, etc.) Lets be honest. The Edge isn't a $150.00 better than the Platinum.

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But you feel the m500 is worth $200 more than the m105? Aren't you a little young to be drinking as much alcohol as would take to have that statement make sense?

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(more inane m500 laud and price quoting)...I've also heard Omnisky WILL run on a VDX, minus a few extra features.

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From here? That's already been commented on, but thanks for the rehash.

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If you hate the Silver of the Plat, get an ICE Deluxe.

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As opposed to just sending in $85 for a new or refurbished unit? How does that make sense?

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My "secret recipe" which I have bragged endlessly about, has supposedly gotten my VDX up to 51mhz at no additional cost from my wallet. That little thing hauls!

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Is that anything similar to your "secret knowledge" about everything from springboard development to Palm's intentions with their handhelds? And you got it that fast for free! Wow! Did Hawkins build a device just for you?

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This also goes to prove my point that Flash Memory IS a necessity on Visors.

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How? If anything, the fact that one of your arguments for flash RAM was that you couldn't get a free OmniSky modem with a service contract because it didn't work on the deluxe and solo, makes your position that flash RAM is even less of a necessity than you'd like to believe.

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And the Edge is... dissapointingly... a Plastic handheld, with two aluminum overlays. C'mon Handspring... why not all Titanium!?!??

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According to? Have you opened an edge? Would you like some pictures?



Do you feel stupid?

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But you feel the m500 is worth $200 more than the m105?

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Yes, because the m105 is ugly as hell.

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Re: Re: Well...

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According to? Have you opened an edge? Would you like some pictures?

Do you feel stupid?

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Actually, thanks for the pictures, d-r. What's that movie I see?

I, too, am about to play the upgrade game, and I'm leaning toward Platinum (unless someone wants to pricematch a prism??). Fiance is sick of her solo, so that's either going to the roommate or to ebay. My Vdx moves down the line, and I get a plat, I think...

I'd say edge, but I love my stowaway too much... Anybody know when that's supposed to come through? I'm still within the 30 day return period on the stowaway, and I could send it packin' if I knew I wouldn't be without a keyboard for too long...

What's people's take: Plat or Edge?

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Re: Well...

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[...] M500, which is all-aluminum [...]

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I'd say edge, but I love my stowaway too much... Anybody know when that's supposed to come through?

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The rumor mill says September or October.

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I'm still within the 30 day return period on the stowaway, and I could send it packin' if I knew I wouldn't be without a keyboard for too long...

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Ultimately a keyboard is a convenience for me, not a necessity (my wife didn't mind getting mine either). I'll get one when it's available, but I can wait a few months (although I don't see what should be taking them that long to retool - unless the Edge Stowaway will be silver anodized aluminum too ).

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What's people's take: Plat or Edge?

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My take would be the Edge, but that's more because of the added durability of the aluminum case. I carry mine in my front pocket, and I think that contributed to the case cracking on my Ice VDxs, so I can't see that a Platinum would fare much better for me. If the size and durability isn't an issue for you, then the Platinum's cheaper price is hard to ignore.

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My take would be the Edge, but that's more because of the added durability of the aluminum case. I carry mine in my front pocket, and I think that contributed to the case cracking on my Ice VDxs, so I can't see that a Platinum would fare much better for me. If the size and durability isn't an issue for you, then the Platinum's cheaper price is hard to ignore.

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Originally posted by dick-richardson
God forgive me for my inability to let idiocy slide.

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But you feel the m500 is worth $200 more than the m105? Aren't you a little young to be drinking as much alcohol as would take to have that statement make sense?
Absolutely. I think the M105 is junk. For a better case, better form factor, expandability, larger screen, better quality casing, more features, flash memory, upgradeability, and a newer design. I see nothing wrong with that.

(Now is it $200.00 better than my IIIxe.... hmmm...)

From here? That's already been commented on, but thanks for the rehash.

It's a reply to my good friend bkbk's post.

As opposed to just sending in $85 for a new or refurbished unit? How does that make sense?

Because this person mentioned earlier they would like ANOTHER Visor, as well as sending theirs in.

Is that anything similar to your "secret knowledge" about everything from springboard development to Palm's intentions with their handhelds? And you got it that fast for free! Wow! Did Hawkins build a device just for you?

Absolutely. *sigh*


How? If anything, the fact that one of your arguments for flash RAM was that you couldn't get a free OmniSky modem with a service contract because it didn't work on the deluxe and solo, makes your position that flash RAM is even less of a necessity than you'd like to believe.

It doesn't work, because you cannot upgrade the O.S. Flash RAM lets you upgrade the O.S. Therefore, if you had Flash RAM, you could upgrade the O.S. and run Omnisky normally.


According to? Have you opened an edge? Would you like some pictures?



Do you feel stupid?

No, I don't feel stupid.
I feel like I'll be back in therapy at the rate this is going. The glare from your photos kept me from being able to make out the detail, but from what I saw, you had a plastic body, with aluminum facsimiles.

Also, the M500 unit I held in Micro-Center did NOT have a Plastic back to it. It was all-aluminum, all the way around. The Vx series DID have a plastic back on it, but not the M500. From my observations, at least. Their damn security stuff got in the way.


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Still, I think you're better off with a deluxe or plat, since there IS NO KEYBOARD for the Edge. I find my keyboard a necessity for writing anything longer than a sentence. The Edge IS better than a Platinum in many ways, but if you're going to be keeping your old Visor, you may as well get something that will run the same accessories.

And besides, you're better off paying $50.00 more for a Prism when you get into that price range.

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Re: Re: Well...

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No, it's not. The front plate is aluminum. That's it. The M505 is 'all-aluminum' in the same way that the Edge is. The Edge's plastic 'gasket' is slightly thicker, but they're functionally the same (aluminum front and back plates with a plastic gasket).

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No more than the M505 is, and no more than the M500 is a plastic handheld with an aluminum overlaid faceplate. As usual, you 'prove' your points with fabrications and poor information.

Thanks for identifying a pattern.


Because then it would be even more expensive.

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Therefore, if you had Flash RAM, you could upgrade the O.S. and run Omnisky normally

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I had thought that OmniSky didn't run on the VDX because so many of them were improperly RF shielded...

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And besides, you're better off paying $50.00 more for a Prism when you get into that price range

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Yeah, I thought of that, and am tempted by the color. But I don't feel the need for it as much as I do for speed & maybe a form factor improvement.

I do have a while to think about it. The stowaway gift came from Target, which has a 90 day return policy. Maybe by then there'll be one for the edge...

Thanks for the advice & thoughts, keep 'em coming.

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from what I saw, you had a plastic body, with aluminum facsimiles.

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Exactly what are you looking for when you demand an all-metal case? Every Handheld in existence has got plastic inside it, holding it together. The Edge just happens to allow that plastic to show up on the outer rim, improving grip and allowing for easier add-ons. If you open up the M series or the V series, you'll find plastic. If you're unhappy with the plastic rim, that's one thing, but the Edge is anodized aluminum.

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Re: Re: Re: Well...

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I feel like I'll be back in therapy at the rate this is going.

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Find a new therapist then. The first one didn't seem to do a proper job.




You obviously need to get your eyes checked as well. It's as aluminum of a body as the M505, and moreso than the M500.

Technically speaking, you're probably like. But it looks like a plastic handheld with alumnium slapped onto it.


It was the raw circuitboard?

You're quite funny.


Sorry, but your observational skills seem lacking, so I won't take your word for it. The back of the M500s have been reported in _many_ places as being plastic. The one that I purchased and evaluated for a couple weeks was definitely plastic as well.

I have read it, but when I saw it, I seemed to have been fooled.



I don't have access to a Vx at the moment, but I'm 99.999999% sure you've got that exactly backwards.



Therein lies the rub. Your observations are lacking. Don't take my word for it, though...Read.

Did already


I guess that's the difference. I've evaluated a Vx and M500 in real life.

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Unless there is a video game where you evaluate these, I'm pretty sure everyone did.
I know what you mean.

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I had thought that OmniSky didn't run on the VDX because so many of them were improperly RF shielded...

Nope... it's the OS....

Yeah, I thought of that, and am tempted by the color. But I don't feel the need for it as much as I do for speed & maybe a form factor improvement.
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Well, you'd get the speed... but the Form factor's something else. If you use a Springboard you won't notice a difference...

I do have a while to think about it. The stowaway gift came from Target, which has a 90 day return policy. Maybe by then there'll be one for the edge...

Thanks for the advice & thoughts, keep 'em coming.

Exactly what are you looking for when you demand an all-metal case? Every Handheld in existence has got plastic inside it, holding it together. The Edge just happens to allow that plastic to show up on the outer rim, improving grip and allowing for easier add-ons. If you open up the M series or the V series, you'll find plastic. If you're unhappy with the plastic rim, that's one thing, but the Edge is anodized aluminum. [/B]

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Personally, I want a PDA with the build integrity of the PowerBook G4. The closest yet, is the M505, which can now be purchased within $20.00 of the Edge.

I was dissapointed by the "Alumnium slapped on plastic" look of the Edge. For $400.00 , I expect more. I don't mind a Plastic frame, but adding two aluminum panels simply gives it the "Hyundai" feel.

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Re: Re: Re: Well...

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<<Handspring rep lurking on the boards quietly checks off the "Void" box in D-R's warranty registration>>

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Thanks for identifying a pattern.

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Ok, I'm convinced. Edge it is. Now... who wants to tell the Mrs?

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If you're not going to bother quoting properly, it would make more sense to just not do it.

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Technically speaking, you're probably like.

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bblue, you've spread your asininity across too many threads to try and quote them all.

My last comment about flash RAM to you: stop *****ing and buy Palm. If you can't stand not having greyscale support and or the full feature set with Onmisky for your deluxe, eBay the damn thing quit whining. It may work with your parents, but it's not going to work with Handspring.

About edge construction: so let me get this straight. You bash the hell out of the edge because it's just a plastic pda with aluminum screwed on (information you obviously just pulled out of your ass), and when you're proven wrong you bash the hell out of it because it's "built like a Hyundai."

PDA built with the integrity of the G4: WRT durability, I doubt the edge can be beat.

I'm glad bkbk is setting you straight on the ways of the world. As I said before, you two make a lovely couple.

All in all, bblue, you're coming close to being the first person nominated to my "ignore" list...

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Not again... *sigh*

I guess I'll close with this. This is the one thing I wanted to say.

The fact that Profit margins are thicker for the Edge means that you're paying too much for it. It probably means, that you're getting less PDA in many ways than one with a thinner margin. Handspring probably did NOT spend as much as Palm in developing the Edge. A small portion of it comes from the fact they didn't really have to, but it's obvious Palm tried a little harder, with the miniscule form factor, all-new expansion & cradle development, and an all-new chip for Palm. (They had to.)

Also, I cannot see through Platinums, and I can't take em apart... although I'm sure CompUSA would not mind. But I assume that the faster chip didn't result in a major size increase.

Also Toby, I was right! I did know what you meant!
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Ok, I'm done with that.

For now, I'm pulling up my "Apple users shield" (ok, I made it up..... ish...) No mac user is allowed to flame another mac user. I'll use this while I go back into therapy with the mods.

I'm doing this again because of the "ad hominem" attacks. Do I really have to cite them? I don't understand why in a debate over the Platinum vs. Edge that the first points made are about me. And that's simply the tip of the problem. I don't want to go into it. You may hate the way I post, you may hate how I post it, or you may hate how I don't give a works cited for every point I make. Learn to live with it, and I'll probably be able to spend more time backing up my posts than having to type stuff like this. If not, I end up in this garbage.

Lets make a deal. I'll go back into therapy, and you put me on your ignore list or petition my account to be terminated on your own, Please! I'd rather be ignored than have to go through these.

If you wanna discuss which is better, Platinum /OR/ Edge, go ahead. But leave me outta this post from now on.
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Re: Not again... *sigh*

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The fact that Profit margins are thicker for the Edge means that you're paying too much for it.

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...You may hate the way I post, you may hate how I post it, or you may hate how I don't give a works cited for every point I make...

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