Registered: Feb 2003
Location: Austin, Texas
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Several observations
1. I don't think it was a "pastie"....
2. I don't think it was intended.
3. Poor judgment in attire, a snap-on (and I don't mean the tool company) bustier was not a bright idea....

4. I'm with geekymom....Winebrats avitar is still the shizznit!!

Just my 2-cents worth.

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US on another planet

Federal Communications Commission Chairman Michael Powell orders an investigation, "great outrage among the American people", "heads are going to fall", President Bush's speaker comments on the incident, etc., etc. ... (www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/02/superbowl.jackson/index.html)

Many people in the US seem to be closer to the Taliban than to the rest of the civilized world when it comes to a naked female breast shown on TV for a split second. It's profoundly silly, almost frightening.

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Re: US on another planet

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Federal Communications Commission Chairman Michael Powell orders an investigation, "great outrage among the American people", "heads are going to fall", President Bush's speaker comments on the incident, etc., etc. ... (www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/02/superbowl.jackson/index.html)

Many people in the US seem to be closer to the Taliban than to the rest of the civilized world when it comes to a naked female breast shown on TV for a split second. It's profoundly silly, almost frightening.

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Geez. It was a breast. Oh horror. With all the violence and whatnot these days, seeing a boob on the boob tube is the least of my worries.

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I was bothered by the whole thing. Not really by the 1-second breast flash, but by the entire performance. It was sleazy (the dancing, costumes, and lyrics) and not appropriate for a football game.

If it was just my wife and I watching the game, I couldn't have cared less what happened. I would have just roll my eyes, laughed, and not thought much more about it.

But I was watching the game with my four young daughters - and I don't want them seeing that garbage.

I don't object to MTV's content - MTV can show what it wants, and people can choose to watch it or not. We can just change the channel. But this was a football game designed for family entertainment. The entertainment should be appropriate for the entire family.

I shouldn't have to worry about what my children see during the Super Bowl Halftime Show.

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I was bothered by the whole thing. Not really by the 1-second breast flash, but by the entire performance. It was sleazy (the dancing, costumes, and lyrics) and not appropriate for a football game.

But I was watching the game with my four young daughters - and I don't want them seeing that garbage.
I shouldn't have to worry about what my children see during the Super Bowl Halftime Show.

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Life also consists of dancing, flirting, love, etc., your girls will find out.

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all the hoopla please.

They show the little kim outfit from the mtv music award where here breast is out all the time.

Of course her's is a little firmer.

but supposedly it was only supposed to be the black part of the outfit not the whole breast area.

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[...] But I was watching the game with my four young daughters - and I don't want them seeing that garbage. [...]

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So the violence and often foul language involved in a football game is appropriate, but the halftime show was out of bounds?

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I shouldn't have to worry about what my children see during the Super Bowl Halftime Show.

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Well, there is always the option of changing the channel. From what I recall, many stations display a counter. Personally, I wasn't worried at all. My daughter was watching Schoolhouse Rock while the whole game was going on. Maybe the SuperBowl should start just airing the cheerleaders doing routines during halftime. No chance for suggestive dance moves or the 'accidental' flashing of body parts there.

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So the violence and often foul language involved in a football game is appropriate, but the halftime show was out of bounds?

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The on-field football violence isn't that big of a deal.

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That's subjective, isn't it?

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It's part of the game.

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Amazing how we can become desensitized to such things, eh?

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[...] As to the foul language, my kids aren't watching sports on TV closely enough to notice that - yet.

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They aren't watching closely enough to hear the occasional uncensored rant, and yet they're watching closely enough to be traumatized by a stray boob?

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[...] But my point is that I shouldn't have to turn the channel during the Superbowl, or even worry about the content of the halftime show.

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Why not? The content of the commercials can get quite risque, so why expect the halftime show to be sanitized?

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It's not like I am watching an HBO version of a football game.

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Since when is football 'family entertainment'? I must be out of the times.

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It's on CBS during the early evening hours.

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What does that have to do with anything? Football plays in the middle of the day during the regular season and is filled with ads which use sex to sell their product. Why does the championship of a sex and violence cocktail suddenly become a church meeting?

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Schoolhouse Rock? I want to check that out myself! ("I'm just a bill")

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The DVD set is great. Lots of behind the scenes stuff to dig.

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Remember U2's Superbowl performance a couple of years ago? That was very cool.

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I don't typically watch the half-time show honestly.

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Toby,

1. Subjective - yes. My wife and I have the same discussion about movies. We have different ideas about what is good or not for the children.

2. Yes.

3. It's not merely the boob flash which bothered me - it was the entire dance. I don't want my girls to think that's "normal" for dressing, dancing, etc. Check out Drudge's front page picture for an example young girls don't need to follow.

4. In my experience, Superbowl commericals haven't been overtly risque. (with the exception of CBS's own promos for the Grammys or whatever it). However, like I previously explained, TIVO-commercial skipping is great for keeping adult-oriented commercials away from children.

5. I'm the only one in my house who watches football on TV. But Superbowl Sunday, everyone likes to get together to watch the game, commercials, halftime show, the spectacle.

I'm beginning to sound like a prude, and I don't mean to. I just want to convey to my 12-year old and 9-year old daughters the right messages about sexuality and music.

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It's not merely the boob flash which bothered me - it was the entire dance. I don't want my girls to think that's "normal" for dressing, dancing, etc. Check out Drudge's front page picture for an example young girls don't need to follow.

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I'm of the opinion that talking to them about it and explaining your views on it is going to be much more effective in the long run than depending on TV executives isolating them from the way some other people behave.

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In my experience, Superbowl commericals haven't been overtly risque.

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This year's were relatively tame, but megaswill commercials of past years aren't exactly relying on the product for sales (Swedish bikini team, Twins, etc.). OTOH, the most popular commercial involved a crotch-biting dog.

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I'm the only one in my house who watches football on TV. But Superbowl Sunday, everyone likes to get together to watch the game, commercials, halftime show, the spectacle.

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Well, you can't deny that they certainly saw a spectacle.

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I'm beginning to sound like a prude, and I don't mean to. I just want to convey to my 12-year old and 9-year old daughters the right messages about sexuality and music.

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Well, as I said, I think that talking to them about it afterward is going to be much more effective than relying on TV execs to be 'moral'. Was there a rating on the half-time show?

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If a person turns on a football game, they should expect violence and profanity.

If they turn on Sinemax, they should expect soft core porn.

I'm sure more than a few guys here would have been turned off if Janet ripped off Justins pants and his thingie was flopping around for all to see. Unless it is really, really small. Then it would be funny. But I digress...

"They" (whomever they may be) forced some people to see something that they were not expecting to see, and did not want to see.

That's what the big deal is all about.

Imagine this video being played on the local news, without first informing you of what you are about to see. ( It's okay to click the link. The video is a link on that page. )

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Well, as I said, I think that talking to them about it afterward is going to be much more effective than relying on TV execs to be 'moral'. Was there a rating on the half-time show?

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"They" (whomever they may be) forced some people to see something that they were not expecting to see, and did not want to see.

That's what the big deal is all about.

Imagine this video being played on the local news, without first informing you of what you are about to see. ( It's okay to click the link. The video is a link on that page. )

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I ahgree with you Clulup. The hypocrisy of it all is astounding. What is a breast gping to do to anyone? In Europe things like this is common an dyou do not see kids growing up as perverted, immoral etc. Violent video games, movies and music are more of a threat to society than one breast. Geesh one would think that they were having sex or stage or something.

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Bad comparison. The images on the bombing video show the worst people can do to each other, the most brutal things that can happen to a human body. Kids as well as grown-ups have problems with accepting and dealing with something like that, that is normal.

How can you compare that to a flirtatious dance, and the sighting of a female breast? Cruelty, violence, murders, etc. in movies is normal (don't tell me the TV programs are not full of it at seven or eight in the evening), but a breast causes an outcry....???

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The big deal is not that a breast was shown...

It is a well know fact that some people do not want to see a naked breast.

The bid deal is not that a breast was show. It's that some people do not wish to see that.

It is also understood that a naked breast is something that is not shown on a program that is advertised as being "family oriented".

The big deal is not that a breast was shown. It's that it was shown on a "family oriented" broadcast.

In other countries, people know ahead of time that some programming will contain nudity. These people then have the option of not watching the show. Here, the showing of the breast was totally unexpected.

The big deal is not that a breast was show. It's that it was unexpected.

So, to sum it up, the big deal is:
Forcing people, who do not want to see a naked breast, into see one, by showing it on a program where seeing one is unexpected.
( can someone help me out with the grammar here! )


Just for the record, I am not offended by seeing her naked breast. However, I was offended that people that do not wish to see such things were forced to do so.

I do not want to be forced to see something that I do not want to see (like the graphic bus bombing video).

Therefore, I must respect what other people do not want to see (such as a naked breast).

That's how I can compare a "The images on the bombing video show the worst people can do to each other, the most brutal things that can happen to a human body.", with, "...flirtatious dance, and the sighting of a female breast"


For the questions:
"Seeing a breast is bad because....?"
"Dancing like she dances is bad because....?"

They open up a whole 'nother can of worms. There is really only one answer, and I'm totaly serious with it. I'm not being facetious.
"Because the neuro pathways in my brain are linked in such a way that seeing such things stimulates the pain center in my brain more than the pleasure center."

If you think I'm joking, then answer these questions:
What food do you like the least?
Why don't you like it?
Because it doesn't taste good? Why doesn't it taste good?

Well, I happen to like that food, so I don't think your answer is valid.

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So, to sum it up, the big deal is:
Forcing people, who do not want to see a naked breast, into see one, by showing it on a program where seeing one is unexpected.

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"Because the neuro pathways in my brain are linked in such a way that seeing such things stimulates the pain center in my brain more than the pleasure center."

If you think I'm joking, then answer these questions:
What food do you like the least?
Why don't you like it?
Because it doesn't taste good? Why doesn't it taste good?

Well, I happen to like that food, so I don't think your answer is valid.

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The big deal is, that there is no point in seeing a naked breast as a big deal, and to feel terribly offended, forced to see things one did not want to see, etc. It does not do any harm to anybody to see a naked breast from time to time (even less to children than to grown-ups). Some people may differ, but I don't see the advantage of that. All I was saying is that I find it very strange that such a silly detail can cause such an outcry, just as you may find it strange that in some countries, it would cause an outcry if a woman would drive a car.

However, I am sorry that seeing a breast stimulates your pain center, I hope you did not have that as a baby (just kidding).

As to your food analogy, the correct form would be the following headline: "Public outcry: Citizens were served food containing apple, although it is well known that some people do not like apples!!!" - I would think: Fair enough, no one should eat apple if he does not want to, but hey, what's the big deal if some do anyway? I did not know apples were illeagal in the US, at least they aren't here....

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I guess heberman would find it difficult to explain why the show and the boob are bad. Not because children don't understand, but because - in my view - there are no good reasons.

"Seeing a breast is bad because....?"
"Dancing like she dances is bad because....?"

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