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VisorDeluxe
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I recall reading somewhere that Handspring is developing a new model with a trendy design like the Palm V.

* Has anybody else heard anything about this?

* Does anyone know of any rumored Handspring devices in development?

Thanks!

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Since the Visor and Palm lines are designed by the same company, I'm sure there is some logic to the above.

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Originally posted by homer:
Since the Visor and Palm lines are designed by the same company...


What company designs them?

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Going back to the original intent of this thread -

Has anybody else heard rumors that Handspring is developing a new model with a design like the Palm V. (or rumors about anything Handspring has under development...)

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Are you sure? Because they don't have Handspring listed as a client. They do have 3Com listed though.



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Yes, I think I heard about the slimmer Handspring in an interview with Jeff Hawkins on VisorCentral.

If I'm not wrong, it's supposed to come out sometime in December.

Oh yeah, IDEO did help design the Visor. Here's the link on their website: http://www.ideo.com/studies/handspring.htm


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I would be very surprise and somewhat disappointed if Handspring does not come out with a new unit in time for the Christmas season. I suspect they have stuff up their sleeves. I dobn't believe they will take the release of the Sony PDA lying down.

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I would be very surprise and somewhat disappointed if Handspring does not come out with a new unit in time for the Christmas season.

Yes, but Handspring has to be wary of the "Osborne effect."

Back in the early 1980's, Adam Osborne came out with the first mass market portable computer, the Osborne 1. It sold like gangbusters, partially because it had a new concept: bundled software! Business people snapped them up because it came with everything you needed to use it right out of the box, no assembly required.

Adam Osborne became a millionaire.

Then he lost it all due to the Osborne effect.

The computer had only been on the market for less than a year, when he announced that his company was coming out with a new improved model.

Naturally, sales of the original model dropped like a lead balloon as people waited for the new one to come out. At the Osborne company, the cash stopped coming in.

So when there was a delay in designing the new model, the lack of cash inflow caused the company to go bankrupt.




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For the record, IDEO designed the Palm line, Handspring line, and they designed/develop/market the EyeModule. To be honest, I'm not sure why Handspring would have had IDEO design their product, when they already are designing their competitor's product.

In fact, I question IDEO for even taking the job...it raises all sorts of business ethics issues.

Regardless, IDEO is a great design firm and I believe they can only improve upon the Visor. I actually kind of hope they make a Visor WITHOUT the springboard, but with a slimmer profile. I bought my VDX based on price only...the springboard hasn't really been helpful to me at all...not that it isn't a great idea, but I bet a lot of people would trade in the springboard for a really slim case.

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I actually kind of hope they make a Visor WITHOUT the springboard, but with a slimmer profile. .


yeah - maybe they could make it a metal case, and market it under the Palm lable... maybe call it the VDx - of course, that's kinda long... maybe just the "Vx"...

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I would agree on trading in the springboard for a slim design. I really like the look of the Palm V. If Handspring would have originally sold a similar design, I would have bought that instead.

IMHO, the Springboard slot is a bunch of over-hyped hoopla. The Visor has been out for a reasonable enought amount of time for a several useful Springboards. Where are all the wireless modem and phone modules?

Don't get me wrong, I think the Visor is a super product, I'm just coming to the realization that I probably should have bought a Palm V. I personally prefer form over function. Due to the fact that Visors and Palms use the same OS, function is a moot point when comparing the two.

I'm guess I'm just tired of Springboard vapourware and overpriced modules that don't really have the "bang for the buck" to justify the purchase.



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I would agree on trading in the springboard for a slim design. I really like the look of the Palm V


You may not have to! My guess is that handspring's next product will be Palm V size, WITH the springboard! (probably out in time for Christmas, I don't think handspring will make that mistake again!)

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I personally prefer form over function.



Actually, I would argue you are preferring function on an equal level as form. The Palm V is a great form, and, in turn, it has great functionality. The slim form makes the Palm V an ultra-portable handheld device...something the visor just can't do.

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My guess is that handspring's next product will be Palm V size, WITH the springboard!



I don't think that can be done...the current visor is as slim as it can be. The ONLY way I could see making is slimmer would be some radical re-engieering of the motherboard and screen enclosure, but even then, you wouldn't gain enough space to make it worth the trouble.

Maybe they could develop something along the lines of that modem that palm 5 uses, where is basically snaps onto the back of the Palm taking the same form, but making the combined set a bit bigger. You could have this snap-on springboard slot for the back of the Visor. You can then detach it when you just wanted the convenience of a slim design.

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Another option would be to make the springboard slot 'buldge' out, but the rerst of the unit would the very slim. Or make a simple dongle like homer said, I think that's a great idea. Best of both worlds. But it shouldn't take up the USB on the bottom, the next one should have a port on the back that a PalmV modem type springboard adaptor could snap into. That would be awesome!

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Those of you that are saying you think the springboard modules are a bunch of hype and worthless.......I'm guesing you don't have any springboards modules.

I love my springboards. I've got the backup module and the Thincom modem. And I can't wait to get more!

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Those of you that are saying you think the springboard modules are a bunch of hype and worthless.......I'm guesing you don't have any springboards modules.



Well, I'm not proposing that the springboard modules are worthless...quite the contrary. My point is that Handspring doesn't JUST need to rely on their springboards as the selling point. They have lots of other things going for them.

Therefore, it may make sense for them to consider a springboard-less model. Maybe knock a few bucks off the price and you'd then be reaching a whole other market segment.

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Any visor being released will and must have a springboard. The point being is that the big live or die marketing factor for Handspring is the slot, and for it to work there must be a sufficent number of visors with the slot to justify manufacturers producing hardware for it.

Should a visor be released minus the slot, this would greatly reduce the number of active visor users with the possibility to purchase springboards, the result being that the springboard side of the market does collapse. Handspring have no niche in the PDA market then in which to attract publicity, and it collapses in on itself after Palm eats up the wedge in the market it's made for itself.

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I don't think that can be done...the current visor is as slim as it can be. The ONLY way I could see making is slimmer would be some radical re-engieering of the motherboard and screen enclosure, but even then, you wouldn't gain enough space to make it worth the trouble.


Of course it can be done! The mother board doesn't need to be radically redesigned. True, it would have to use rechargable batteries to save space, and maybe a smaller IR port, but the Palm V uses both of these. Concidering the Palm V is thinner from front to back than the top of the Visor w/o the springboard cover on, I think they can make a thinner version. We'll all find out together though!




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I want to add something to this one. I really hope whatever Handspring does they keep the bottom of the unit the same, from a form and connector prospect. If I have to buy yet another keyboard at $100 just because they changed the connector on the bottom I will be upset. Even the palms have changed a lot of things but the connector is the same, as slow as it is &lt;grin&gt; At the very least they should have an adapter that works well. I will buy another Visor but not if they change that forcing me to upgrade everything again. I also just bought the 8 Meg flash memory card so again will I have to spend another $85 along with the new machine?

If they keep changing the springboard slot then in no way will it ever be able to take off as a standard. It will start to get like Macs are sometimes. They have changed the connectors a lot of times with new machines, leaving others to have to adapt all over again. I am not a Mac person but I hear that grip a lot.

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