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slotmachine
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ASTRO-POLITICS

A prequel was a great way to put life back into the Star Trek franchise, and I thouroughly enjoyed it.

However, I didn't think the interstellar politics were very believable.

Why were we humans allowed to "incubate" without harassment for 100 years?
The Vulcans are a benevolent, if not arrogant race; fine. But why wasn't this primitive, resource-rich planet Earth pillaged by the Klingons, or some other race right after first contact?

How was this new race able to just show up out of nowhere on Rigel 10 and not attract attention?
You'd think we would have at least been harassed by Rigel 10 "port authority". Why weren't there qustions like "Who are you Hu-mans?", "Where did you Smooth-Heads come from?", "Where are your docking papers Smooth-Head?" Why weren't we the lead story on AQNN (Aplha Quadrant News Network)? I guess this question is partially answered by the lack of any interstellar organization like the Federation at the time. But that brings me to my next, and biggest question....

How could a rowdy upstart culture go from the brink of nuclear holocost, to its first warp engine, and on to a position of interstellar leadership of centuries-old societies in less than 200 years? How could we engineer the Federation? That would be more of a natural role for the Vulcans. Unless the Vulcans thought that leading rest of alpha quadrant wasn't worth the headache. How long was it between the maiden voyage of the NX-10 and the Federation charter?

If any experts on Federation history can fill in these logical gaps for me, I'd appreciate it.

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09-30-2001 03:55 AM

slotmachine
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quote:
Originally posted by cnegrad
9) Unbelievable chain-of-command-problems. Can you image any military operation where the first officer and the exec officer argue over whose commanding the ship while the captain's away?

I assume you're talking about the friction between the Vulcan Silicone...er Science officer and the guy with the southern accent. Their chemistry reminds me of the friction between Spock and Bones in the orig series.

Except Bones and Spock never rubbed each other down with Bug-Be-Gone in decontamination.... could that have been hotter?

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09-30-2001 04:00 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by JHromadka
First contact by whom? The Federation? Humans? Vulcans? Who says the Vulcans didn't meet the Klingons already and piss them off with their logic? "Honor is not logical."

First Contact by the Federation.

Humans pissed off the Klingons sparking off decades of war between the Klingons and the Human-led Federation.

The Klingons didn't really have a specific beef with the Vulcans, or Andromedans, etc.

-=-=-=-=-

Again I'd like to state that I have no problem with minor continuity errors. We know there are bound to be some; heck, most shows have continuity errors WITHIN a season! The thing that annoys me are MAJOR continuity errors. I don't like the fact that they messed around with generally accepted timelines and long assumed facts.

I was able to overlook the fact that the VERY EXISTENCE of this so called "NX-01" Enterprise is a MAJOR continuity error for the sake of enjoying the show. But I'm understanding more and more now why they didn't include the words "Star Trek" in the title - it really isn't Star Trek at all.

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09-30-2001 11:00 AM

John Nowak
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quote:
Originally posted by Soul Raven
Well, a friend and I talked about this and came to this conclusion: we really liked the imagery of the opening credits, the pictures were great, but the music was definately a 'non-sequitor' (spelling?). Not very "Star Trekky".

Yeah, I agree with that. Generally I like experimentation but it was in desperate need of an orchestral theme.

Speaking of which, has anyone ever heard of an "HMS Enterprize?"

09-30-2001 03:15 PM

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I used to be a huge Trekker geek. The last couple seasons of DS9 and most of Voyager challenged that, and I've mostly lost interest, but I still watched the Enterprise premiere.

This series takes place in 2150 or thereabouts, correct?
* The Federation is supposed to be established around 2165, so that won't happen during this series. (not an error). There are no "prime directives" so the crew is free to screw with alien cultures.
* Actual first contact with Klingons is in 2218 which causes the war referred to. not just an error but a huge plot hole.
* There's a Romulan war scheduled for the next decade (a hundred years or so prior to Kirk's encounter)
* the ship is too far advanced. Early Starship designs in Trek history are ball-and-cylinder, not the more flattened saucer/nacelle config of Next Generation. MX-01 looks like a "future" ship not a "past" ship (from original Trek). "retro-futuristic" may be in right now (the PT Cruiser for example) but this should be just "retro." The ship is also far too roomy "NG"-like; it should have more activity and be more cramped, like modern-day capital ships and submarines (and like Classic Trek. In Voyager and Next gen you rarely saw many background crew roaming the halls; in "classic" trek they were all over. and there wasn't any carpeting.

Originally posted by ByronC
They didn't sport any handheld device(s) on the open show thought? Hope their future shows will make use of such devices.
Archer had a handheld "tape recorder" device when he visited the linguistics person (I didn't get most of the character names from this episode; I probably could have paid more attention). T'Pol had a communicator with the "classic" sound effect in the scene where she and the exec were in the "bar" or whatever on the planet (the scene with the woman apparently suffocating her child). That's all I noticed.

Also whatever they call it, when the screen is cut-off from the top and bottom by dark space (about 20% viewing from full screen). I hope they are not planning on doing this for the rest of the shows?

It's called "widescreen" but more appropriately, I believe the series is being filmed in High Definition. HDTV screens are wider, and the image would fill the whole screen on an HDTV set. A number of shows are using it now, and you can expect more in the future. I only noticed it for a moment after about an hour ... but I like widescreen so don't have a problem.

Originally posted by John Nowak
has anyone ever heard of an "HMS Enterprize?"
There was a tall ship in the galleryof ships named Enterprise in "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" which I expect is what they referring to. I'm not a student of naval history, but I found this page discussing various British ships named Enterprise -- though I don't know if it's completely fact or not, given that the site has a Star Trek bent.

Hope no-one minds my rant. The show itself was okay TV even with the out-of-place rubdown scene.

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09-30-2001 07:02 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JHromadka
Do Vulcan women go through Pon Far?...

Just Vulcan males...At least thats what has been said in the original and in Star Trek III.

I don't like the Vulcans either. Also the guy in the temporal imager or whatever that was looked and sounded like the Vulcan ambassador to me. Did anyone else see it that way? I didn't like him from the momemnt I saw him.

I've decided to forget most of the technical errors in the show because they are after all human and trying to put out quality tv on a budget and on time. If they were really out there then everything would be driven by the laws of physics....

However, when they were going after that station couldn't the (Can't remember their name right now) have used their stealth technology to flip the off switch on the enterprise like they did in space? I know someone could rationalize it by "the atmosphere interfered with it or or they didn't have any ships there but really....."

Hope lives however.....

10-01-2001 02:17 PM

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Re: ASTRO-POLITICS

quote:
Originally posted by slotmachine
How was this new race able to just show up out of nowhere on Rigel 10 and not attract attention?

How could a rowdy upstart culture go from the brink of nuclear holocost, to its first warp engine, and on to a position of interstellar leadership of centuries-old societies in less than 200 years? How could we engineer the Federation? That would be more of a natural role for the Vulcans. Unless the Vulcans thought that leading rest of alpha quadrant wasn't worth the headache.

I'm not a Trek expert, but I can speculate with the best of them.

For your first question, I always had the impression that the Rigel-n planets were less like the United States and more like Casablana or those Barbary Pirate corsair cities. The local government grows rich by becoming known as a place where ships can come to sell their cargo with no embarrassing questions asked.

As to your second question, I have the impression that while Vulcans had the knowledge, they did not have the will. Humans were the other way around. The two races together had the key to founding the Federation.

10-01-2001 03:08 PM

JHromadka
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Re: Full Screen Ahead

quote:
Originally posted by ByronC
Hi All,
The first one were "great". They didn't sport any handheld device(s) on the open show thought? Hope their future shows will make use of such devices.
Also whatever they call it, when the screen is cut-off from the top and bottom by dark space (about 20% viewing from full screen). I hope they are not planning on doing this for the rest of the shows?

Byron

Widescreen does not "cut off" anything. If the show is shown in its original aspect ratio (OAR) you miss nothing. Check out www.widescreen.org for more information and some great examples of what you have been missing when watching a show that "has been modified to fit your screen."

Here are some pertinant examples:

Full frame (Pan & Scan)

OAR (Widescreen)

I like widescreen because it opens up things so you can get a better view. Fullscreen tends to have to zoom in on faces and cuts back and forth a lot between two people when they're talking. You don't have that problem with widescreen.

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10-02-2001 12:39 AM

tstarky
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New Star Trek?!?!?!?!?!?

I have got to get my head out of my books and waste a few brain cells on the tube! I didn't realize a new series was out. I don't think I am quite as into it as your folks are (I rarely remember the details!) but I love the story lines, the humor and the characters of these shows. I guess I'm not a true "Trekie" or I would have known about this new series.

What station/time?

Thanks,
Teri

10-02-2001 12:53 AM

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You're a trekky as long as you like the show ! I'm sure someone with a love for details (WHY I ask, why???) will come along and deny what I said, but IMO you are just as much a trekky as the rest.

It's on UPN (Wed. @ 8 around here, not sure if it varies from place to place)

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10-02-2001 01:58 AM

Yorick
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Re: New Star Trek?!?!?!?!?!?

quote:
Originally posted by tstarky
What station/time?

UPN, Wednesdays, 8 p.m. check your local listings for your UPN affiliate.

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10-02-2001 02:00 AM

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Re: Re: ASTRO-POLITICS

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Originally posted by Winchell
As to your second question, I have the impression that while Vulcans had the knowledge, they did not have the will. Humans were the other way around. The two races together had the key to founding the Federation.

Good theory W. The Vulcans could supply the wisdom and diplomacy for the Federation initiative without calmoring for the leadership role if it was a "logical" symbiosis. Similar to the Human - Membari relationship in B5.

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10-02-2001 02:35 AM

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quote:
ByronC wrote:
They didn't sport any handheld device(s) on the open show thought?

Archer used a handheld scanner to navigate his way through the alien "station" (if that's what you can call that conglomeration of ships stuck together). If I remember correctly, they also used handheld devices on Rigel 10.

I liked the show, but I could have done without the frog-tongue ladies and the decontamination scene. They just didn't flow. P'Tol and Tucker could have had that conversation in different circumstances and it would have been just fine.

Overall, a lot of questions in the first episode/pilot went unanswered and leave a huge space for tons of future episodes. Good series craftmanship if you ask me.

As far as first contact with the Klingons, for those that didn't catch it, the 'evolved' Sulibans were dealing with someone in the future that is changing the past, you know, breaking the future "Temporal Prime Directive." So maybe that's your explanation. Who knows

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10-02-2001 03:25 PM

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"....dealing with someone in the future that is changing the past, you know, breaking the future "Temporal Prime Directive."

Oooh, that sneaky temporal mechanics excuse again. Oh well; I guess when all else fails...

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10-02-2001 03:42 PM

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Yeah, all this messing around with time and temporal stuff really messes with my wifes head. She's not the sci-fi type and I have to explain a lot of what happened in the show to her during commercials.

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10-02-2001 03:53 PM

Soul Raven
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My thougts

quote:
Originally posted by Trotsky
Did no one notice the wacked out math they are using in "Enterprise?"

Yeah, that bugged me as well. They always made such a deal about it taking days or even weeks to get places in the original series, and that was sometimes at warp 6 or higher. I do remember an interview with Rick Berman where he admitted that they were pretty much going to ignore the old series. Not a new idea, for the 'new' Trek. There was an orignal series ("Omega Glory", I believe) where Kirk stated that Earth had avoided any sort of WWIII nuclear holocust, yet the pilot episode of Next Generation had Q talking about life after the nuclear war.

quote:
Originally posted by cnegrad
5) The comm officer is scared of her own shadow. Ridiculous for any space explorer.

And no one in the Navy ever gets seasick? Yes, yes, I know, this is an exploration ship, and they should pick people made of tougher stuff. It's not like space exploration was new to them, though. It seemed that trips inside the solar system were routine, plus the people on the "boomers" (I am guessing long-haul ships at light-speed or just above). Merryweather had been to multiple alien planets. With artificial gravity and a seemingly large galley, not everyone on this ship has to be a grizzled, no-holds-barred explorer. As she was teaching in Brazil, I am guessing that Hoshi was more of a researcher and teacher than a front-line officer. This doesn't excuse the fact that she is completely annoying, and hopefully we'll have a "can't miss" episode where has a brush with death and toughens up a bit.

quote:
Originally posted by Trotsky
How the heck would what we saw on "Enterprise" lead to a Prime Directive?

What did Klaang say when he entered the council chamber? "I have disgraced the Empire and am ready to die." Sure, they got the information back, but they also nursed a Klingon warrior back to health instead of letting him die with honor (and after getting his corpse back, they could have still extracted the info from his blood). I am pretty sure that we are going to see some sparks with the Klingons soon.

quote:
Originally posted by John Nowak
has anyone ever heard of an "HMS Enterprize?"

Well, I a 5 minute search didn't find anything on HMS Enterprize, but these two:

http://www.maritime-scotland.com/boxerINDEX.html
http://www.multied.com/1812/enterprise.html

talk about USS Enterprise, which I have heard of before.

quote:
Originally posted by briker206
Also the guy in the temporal imager or whatever that was looked and sounded like the Vulcan ambassador to me.

My impression was that he was Romulan. He made a couple of disparaging comments about the Vulcans, so I would think he wasn't one of them. And unless they go one further dissing the original series, there won't be any contact between Human and Romulan, since Kirk & Co. had that dubious honor. We will probably find out they were behind, but won't see them (I am guessing).

quote:
Originally posted by briker206
but I could have done without the frog-tongue ladies

Did anyone catch in the credits that they were sisters? Can you just hear mom? "Frank, come quick, Diane and Elaine are almost on! I can't believe they are on 'Star Trek'! It's so exciti.......er, what that?"

I liked the show, and think it will be a good series. As a fan from the old days, I think this is the "Trekiest" series so far. I watched TNG for a few seasons, a few episodes of DS9, and Voyager for a bit, but I really like this one. I suppose we'll just have to see. I wish there would have been more pomp and circumstance around the launch, though. You know, some shots of people watching from Times Square, Moscow, Bejing, that type of thing, all cheering on the crew.

"Gimme an E! Gimme and A! Gimmie an R......."

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10-02-2001 04:45 PM

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Re: My thougts

quote:
Originally posted by Soul Raven
My impression was that he was Romulan.

Another thought: the Vulcans say that the Suliban were using "some sort of stealth technology". Romulans in the original series were the first ones with a cloaking device.

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10-02-2001 05:10 PM

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I agree that he could be romulan. Though I still think it might be the vulcan ambassador. As stated in TNG the romulans were an offshoot from the vulcans who could not check their emotions. That guy fits the bill. His emotional outburst at the beginning had me doing double takes.

10-02-2001 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by dick-richardson
It's about time they brought a dog on board. Data's cat should've had to ride outside.

Check that. That damn linguistics chick needs to ride outside - during an atmospheric re-entry.

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10-04-2001 08:26 AM

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Greetings,

Ok, last night I recorded episode #2, (and fast-forwarded past the insipid theme song).

I hope this episode took care of Hoshi's fears, 'cause I've had just about enough of her whining. Are we really supposed to believe that after a couple of days she can speak the aliens language enough to bond with them? And speaking of whining, they better find something else to do with T'Pol, because she's become completely one-dimensional too. She's basically there to discourage the Enterprise from doing ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.

I don't know; if I were Captain Archer I'd turn tail and stay on Earth until Starfleet develops something resembling shields. Are we really supposed to believe that the single one-manned friendly-alien ship was any match for the evil-blood-draining-alien-ship? Clearly the ship-of-dead-aliens was unable to hurt them, so why would this one guy be successful?

I really want the Star Trek legacy to continue. But if the writers don't get their act together, I'm afraid it'll die due to low ratings.

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