BobbyMike
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Originally posted by ToolkiT
I have to agree with Jhappel on this one. Especially on the 'wiping out any continent ' bit. This is simply nonsense.
However there is a bit of thruth in 'setting back any country for generations' the bombing of afganistan I'm sure cripled the progress of a lot of innocent people out there...
Going back to the Post WWI era, the strick economic sanctions realy crippled Germany leading to the rise of Hitler due to the frustration of the german people... Luckily the US realized that so they didnt make the same mistake after WWII... But it seems history goes around in circels and it looks like we are back at WWI...
Umm weren't the Strict economic sanctions brought about through the will of the League of Nations (the Pre-UN) and consequently wasn't the same organisation responsible for letting Hitler get away with so much, setting up the atrocities of WWII?
Didn't it take the United States deciding to become non-isolationist and throw it's economic might into the war that slowed the Germans down enough that the US and Russia could crush the Axis movement? Since England was the only country not yet under German control (barring Switzerland which had a business arrangement) you can thank the Americans for letting you have your culture back.
Our problem seems to be that we inherit other countries problems with an alarming tendency (Afghanistan, Vietnam, WWI and WWII, Korea, Taiwan, Somalia, etc.)
(The US wasn't solely responsible for what happened after WWII, that was a joint effort of all the nations involved.)
The UN is not exactly the best model for peace and love. Because of it's ability to act decisively and quickly, miliions of innocent civilians have died while waiting for help from the UN, in countries like Serbia, Somalia, Uganda, etc.
The problem seems to be an active dislike of committing forces to stop aggressive actions by rogue powers. It's one thing to dislike war (I personally think you have to be crazy to like war) and another to sit around and dither, when you have military might, and watch as people are terrorized and killed.
The flaw in organisations like the UN is that they are designed to work under the assumption that everyone "just wants to get along", but since no-one "just wants to get along" the model breaks down. The UN sanctions a nation, and other nations find ways to conduct trade around the sanctions. It sets forth edicts, and nations ignore them. It's a flawed model that can't work in our world.
As long as governments exist where the power can reside in the hands of one man/woman/small group, with no checks or balances, and they can actively take part as an equal in the UN you can't even expect such an organisation to be effective.
I feel that the general consensus of anti-war sentiments seems to revolve around the idea that the US is an awful war-mongering group of idiots, led by an awful war-mongering idiot President, backed by an awful war-mongering idiot Congress bent on world domination (military, economic, culture). Sorry to inform you - The USA is already there, we don't need a war for any of those reasons.
The US does need to contain Saddam, something the UN has proven itself to be incapable, or unwilling to do with "diplomacy".
Back to the WWII analogy - If you want to play Chamberlain and stick your head in the sand because you refuse to see evil, do so, just don't expect others to stick their heads in the sand too. That way only leads to the slaughter of more innocents.
America is the largest, powerful "free" country in the world right now. We have the responsibilty and the right to do what we feel is necessary and right, with or without the will of the UN. Since the UN can't seem to make any nation do anything without their agreement I can't really see an alternative.
As to your analogy on firearms and Texas. The result of such a predicament would be removal/restructuring of the law enforcement enforcement agency. So maybe it's time to disband the UN and try something else?
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02-11-2003 04:36 AM
Didn't think so, and I don't blame you a one bit.
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