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check out: http://www.thinmodem.com/audibleadvisor.html

Card-Access is coming out with the AudibleAdvisor which allows you to listen to up to 16 MB of audiobooks (or other material, I guess). Has an earphone jack up top and plays up to 4.4 hours of "audio content."

Whadya think? Someone around here can come up with a way to adapt this sucker to play music or whatever we want, I'm sure!

I think I'd rather have this than a modem. Now, if the cost is comparable to an MP3 module, I might have a more difficult decision.

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text readers

Is there any plan in the works for a means to read the e-books or other material on my Palm (such as from AvantGo or a newspaper)-- guess it would have to be a module which could have an earpiece through which one would listen to a robotic voice read the selected text. This would allow one to hear the news, etc. while driving or walking. Is there some such? Is it coming soon? If not, why not?

Thank you in advance for your anticipated kind response(s).
George

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I don't think that it will have a good enough DSP to play MP3's well.

Spken Voice, really doesn't need as much range of frequencies, or anyhting else, compared to MP3's. They use a lot lfess space, and jsut aren't as good. BEsides with 16 mb of mem. That's NOT a lot of MP3's so..

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Re: text readers

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Originally posted by gcowan
Is there any plan in the works for a means to read the e-books or other material on my Palm (such as from AvantGo or a newspaper)-- guess it would have to be a module which could have an earpiece through which one would listen to a robotic voice read the selected text. This would allow one to hear the news, etc. while driving or walking. Is there some such? Is it coming soon? If not, why not?

Thank you in advance for your anticipated kind response(s).
George

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This killed it for me:

"Encryption/decryption software to allow for secure playback."

Forget it.. No thanks... next product please..

I don't waste my money on products that I don't have 100% control over the content..

This falls under the same idiotic logic as SD cards, see my comments on that farce:
http://discussion.visorcentral.com/...?threadid=13256

The "secure" in "secure playback" doesn't provide any "security" for you and me.. It's a feature not intended to benefit us.

secure = copy protection, it's just a nicer way of saying it.

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Actually, the DSP in AudibleAdvisor *is* powerful enough to playback MP3's (50-70 mips -- we've been doing it for some time in our lab). However, to keep the prices down, is doesn't make sense to increase memory to make a viable MP3 player when memory has such a direct relation on cost.

As far as encryption, to be able to utilize content from Audible.com, encryption must be supported. On the other hand, there is no reason the player cannot also play content which is in the clear. It basically boils down to determining viable compression formats to support.

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There were a couple of "replies" following my comments but they don't seem on point.

Could someone "out there" please answer my question directly:
Is there a method, now or planned, of having an audio (robot spoken) output via a Visor or Palm from written text?

If not, why not(Mac had the technology just about from the start)? Bet there would be a big market.

This would apply to e-books, Avantgo sources, e-zines and other entities to allow listening "on the road."

Thanks in advance once again. George

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To EricG

I guess "I don't waste my money on products that I don't have 100% control over the content.. " is just a nicer way of saying that you want to be able to break copyright laws with no one stopping you.

Just think...if you put in lots of time developing your talents, working on some intellectual capital, produced content (a book, music, software etc) and planned on making a living selling it on the net. But unfortunately everyone likes to have complete 100% control over the stuff you produce. In that case, you would definitely need to keep your day job.

Just a thought

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hmmm. Why not put a memory slot in it, and than BOOM! you have a MP3 player too. THAT'S IN A SLIM FORMAT! You can market it as Audible Advsor, but extra meory allows it to play mroe books, AND play MP3'S! (P.S. If you need a beta tester.. 'mail me )

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Re: To EricG

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Originally posted by vtaia
I guess "I don't waste my money on products that I don't have 100% control over the content.. " is just a nicer way of saying that you want to be able to break copyright laws with no one stopping you.

Just think...if you put in lots of time developing your talents, working on some intellectual capital, produced content (a book, music, software etc) and planned on making a living selling it on the net. But unfortunately everyone likes to have complete 100% control over the stuff you produce. In that case, you would definitely need to keep your day job.

Just a thought

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Originally posted by Card Access
Actually, the DSP in AudibleAdvisor *is* powerful enough to playback MP3's (50-70 mips -- we've been doing it for some time in our lab). However, to keep the prices down, is doesn't make sense to increase memory to make a viable MP3 player when memory has such a direct relation on cost.

As far as encryption, to be able to utilize content from Audible.com, encryption must be supported. On the other hand, there is no reason the player cannot also play content which is in the clear. It basically boils down to determining viable compression formats to support.

-Card Access

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robotic textreader on pda

purple md, Appreciate your feedback but this doesn't really answer my question. Apparently this device you described will play already recorded tapes through the pda but will it/can it, or some other device, read from the text itself to make the text audible itself, so that one could have the new york times or wall street journal read to you as you drive to work, etc.?

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Re: Re: To EricG

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Originally posted by EricG


If the copyright holder wants to provide free platform/media upgrades when I need to change platforms and as frequently etc.. free for life even if their company goes out of business then I am all for it..

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Originally posted by EricG


I agree you would need the encryption/decryption stuff if you use Audible content.. I more than likely never will due to my stand on copy protection..

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Sorry, missed this.

Card Access guy, do you know/can you tell what audio formats will be supported? If you could play say MP3s, even with only 16MB, it would obviously be much more flexible and useful. (Or if there's a way for individuals to create Audible files from other formats.) People could compress and playback their existing books on tape or CD without having to pay again.

The player isn't listed on Audible's homepage yet.

Also, the product web page says the memory can also be used for "user storage." Will that be like the Thinmodem+'s memory?

Thanks!

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Re: To EricG

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Originally posted by vtaia
I guess "I don't waste my money on products that I don't have 100% control over the content.. " is just a nicer way of saying that you want to be able to break copyright laws with no one stopping you.

Just think...if you put in lots of time developing your talents, working on some intellectual capital, produced content (a book, music, software etc) and planned on making a living selling it on the net. But unfortunately everyone likes to have complete 100% control over the stuff you produce. In that case, you would definitely need to keep your day job.

Just a thought

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Gameboy70 - You captured my thoughts beautifully.. I don't think I could have worded it any better..

dalamar70 - I don't blame the module or it's maker, I understand that they have to support the encryption to be able to play Audible content (which is the goal of the module). I am just against the whole concept of anti-consumer "digital rights management". If the module does indeed support consumer friendly formats that's great! Wonderful! The free for life is in reference to "my" life.. I don't have problems with content creators or copyright holders watermarking their products, give credit where credit is due.. so long as the watermark is an informational tag only and not some "digital rights management" mechanism.

As a consumer I use the most effective method I have (my cold hard cash) to show I do not support "enforced" "digital rights management".

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talking print module for visor

Thank you!!! The Audible Advisor claims to be able to read the newspaper and, presumably, other print entities. It will be available this May according to the Web Site.

Thanks again, George

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Re: Re: To EricG

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Originally posted by Gameboy70

Any policy that starts with the presumption of guilt is anti-consumer. As a humanist, I would add that it's antisocial. There are spiritual implications, which unfortunately never get discussed in IP debates, for a society founded on mistrust.

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Than why do 7-11's which are open 24 horus a day, 365 (or 366) days a year have locks on their door? They never use them? Why bother putting them in..

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As a very good friend of mine says:

"Locks are for honest people..."

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