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What are the other functions of guns that are not a direct result of their killing function?

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What are the other functions of guns that are not a direct result of their killing function?

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been away. sorry to drag up old news.

Originally posted by Toby
Yorick doesn't seem to have much more experience with them than you do, though, otherwise he'd know better than to think that any semi-automatic weapon could kill dozens in a few seconds.

No direct experience (pacifist ya know), just book learnin' and purportedly accurate "underground" video. Prob'ly just full of it.

Originally posted by volcanopele
I know a few of my dad's friends who collect guns for display purposes only. Hense my earlier "My gun is bigger that your gun" discussion earlier. They have a number of very large guns that they consider their babies. I don't think they even have the ammo for them, just the guns in the display cases.

AHA! it's a male envy issue!
sigh ... men boys and the size of the toys ...

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I know a few of my dad's friends who collect guns for display purposes only. Hense my earlier "My gun is bigger that your gun" discussion earlier. They have a number of very large guns that they consider their babies. I don't think they even have the ammo for them, just the guns in the display cases.

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My AP Physics class is planning on building a medium size trebuchet. Now in our hands, we are planning just to hurl bowling balls across a football field. In the wrong hands, they will be hurled toward cars. Should we have a licence to building a trebuchet because of its potential for causing SOME minor property damage?

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My AP Physics class is planning on building a medium size trebuchet. Now in our hands, we are planning just to hurl bowling balls across a football field. In the wrong hands, they will be hurled toward cars. Should we have a licence to building a trebuchet because of its potential for causing SOME minor property damage?

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My reference to Arabs were meant to prove a point about utilitarianism and punishment. To be honest, I couldn't care less about how "taseful" they might be. The points were incredibly valid on a lot of levels.
1. Utilitarianism. The greater good does not have the right to infringe on an individual's rights. Period. Like it or not, gun ownership is a constitutional right. And all this crap about what is needed for hunting is b-s. The framers of the constitution were hardly saying the right to bear arms should be preserved so I could go rabbit hunting. Mr. Bohn, regardless of the psychology behind owning a gun, the fact that the gov't is dealing with an armed populace guarantees, in a way, the preservation of our constitutionally granted rights. I believe it to be as obvious as a priest with an erection as to the correlation with my Arab example.

2. I should not be forced to give up my rights because of someone else's abuse - Any more than an Arab should be relocated or a child kept in recess for another's misbehavior.

3. I should not be forced to give up my rights because someone else may possibly abuse them. Any more than an Arab should be relocated because one may commit a terrorist act.

And you can pull your "here-and-now" argument and talk about how much times have changed. The times have changed WRT Arabs as well (hence my comment about "more bad people" - a sarcastic statement applicable to both Arabs and gun owners).

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also, I find it ironic that the humor is coming from pro-gun folk, whose extremist pro-gun compatriots would take the jokes literally.

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No direct experience (pacifist ya know), just book learnin' and purportedly accurate "underground" video. Prob'ly just full of it.

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At least you don't seem to be irrationally fearful about it, though.

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[...] Guns call to something deep within us (or within men, anyway), they're phallic and murderous. We have a stick for life, and a stick for death......

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Originally posted by Toby
At least you don't seem to be irrationally fearful about it, though.
guns don't kill people -- bullets do! rubber bullets excluded. which begs the question, why don't the police use rubber bullets? think of the bystanders!

Originally posted by Toby
LOL...you should read your Fraud better. Actually, people who are that fearful of guns scare me. It shows that they're projecting deep-seated tendencies in themselves which disturb them onto others (much like homophobes).
hey wait ... if a homophobe is like unto a hoplophobe, is a hoplophone like unto a homophone?
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My AP Physics class is planning on building a medium size trebuchet. Now in our hands, we are planning just to hurl bowling balls across a football field. In the wrong hands, they will be hurled toward cars. Should we have a licence to building a trebuchet because of its potential for causing SOME minor property damage?

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guns don't kill people -- bullets do! rubber bullets excluded. which begs the question, why don't the police use rubber bullets? think of the bystanders!

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No, it should be banned because it's an instrument of war, and one of you might go apesh*t and load it with a molotov gas can and hurl it at a McDonald's.

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What you don't think we can't control ourselves with our precious trebuchet. I for one would never hurl anything a McDonald's. Sonic, well thats another story. Then we just wouldn't hurl anything that might kill people.

Seriously thoug, we are building it to hurl bowling balls 100 yards and thats all. Though I want to make it collapsable so I can take it with me to Tucson.

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Oh, we're not worried about what _YOU_ might do with it. We just want to make sure that a criminal can't get hold of one and take out a McDonald's. Who are you to put your understanding of physics over the fake feelings of safety of others?

edit: Wow, I just noticed that I broke 1500 posts, on my birthday no less. Happy birthday to me...time to get offline.

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McDonald's attacked by a midieval siege weapon. More at eleven. One way to protect against it getting in the wrong hands is to disassemble most of it after every use that way you can't just cart it off and use it somewhere else.

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That would seem to make it easier to transport.

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Besides, Toby, do you know how big trebuchets are??

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Yes, I'm being facetious. I don't really care if you have a trebuchet.

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This one is going to be in the neighbor of 20 feet long and 7 feet tall with the counterweight consisting of machine weights total in the neighborhood of 200 lbs. And thats a wussy trebuchet compared to those used in midieval warfare.

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So, it's a compact 'handgun' version of a trebuchet?!? That's even worse.

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So, it's a compact 'handgun' version of a trebuchet?!? That's even worse.

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Do you think we should built the "assult weapon" version, 60 feet long and capable of hurling cars?

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The problem is that this wouldn't be the 'assault weapon' model. The 'assault weapon' model would function the same way as the 'semi-automatic rifle' model, but it would just look 'scarier'.