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And by the way, how do you know that the relatives "didn't have anything to do with the suicide attack"? Can you actually say for certain what causes one person to strap a bomb on themselves, and not another?

As to the destruction of houses. I can't say that I would have come up with that choice if I was in their shoes. I like it better than blowing up a busy marketplace or a busload of schoolkids though. Houses can be rebuilt. Lives cannot be replaced.

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So in your logic the family of the Colombine killers had something to do with it too and theis house should be destroyed too?
Seems like a bit far fetched maybe but if you think about it, it is the same kind of (flawed) logic.
Yes, there is a chance the families were involved however you dont want to take that for granted...

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What logic? I simply asked how he knew they weren't involved. I never said, nor implied, that they "got what they deserved". If you read my post you should have also seen that I wouldn't have chosen to destroy the relatives houses. You're reading a little too much into my response.

As to the Columbine shootings I would prefer not to comment on what/who I think helped cause that tragedy as I will be sure to inflame somebody if I do.

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Everyone is making noises... not just Canada. It seems the only one not making noises is the U.S.A. Its funny that the U.S and Israel always vote the same way in the U.N.

Anyhow, I think it is absolutely immoral to bulldoze a suicide bomber's family. This doesn't accomplish anything positive. In fact, they simply create more suicide bombers.

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And then again, maybe that's why Canada has been making noises

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Sorry if I read too much into it... I must have misinterpreted your post..

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It's ok. Considering the source (you) I was inclined to to believe you had as you're pretty fair minded.

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Everyone is making noises... not just Canada. It seems the only one not making noises is the U.S.A. Its funny that the U.S and Israel always vote the same way in the U.N.

Anyhow, I think it is absolutely immoral to bulldoze a suicide bomber's family. This doesn't accomplish anything positive. In fact, they simply create more suicide bombers.

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I was joking about Canada . In reference to clulups' "So what we have is a country in possession of WMD, with a very strong army and an ever growing fundamentalist and extremist part of the population, a country known for taking other territories by force (ok, sometimes in selfdefence...) and violating UN resolutions. If this country was my neighbor, maybe I wouldn't like the situation too much either... " Some people could say the US would fit that bill. Therefor Canada could be nervous. It was a joke.

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OK. I understand.

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I was joking about Canada . In reference to clulups' "So what we have is a country in possession of WMD, with a very strong army and an ever growing fundamentalist and extremist part of the population, a country known for taking other territories by force (ok, sometimes in selfdefence...) and violating UN resolutions. If this country was my neighbor, maybe I wouldn't like the situation too much either... " Some people could say the US would fit that bill. Therefor Canada could be nervous. It was a joke.

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Anyhow, I think it is absolutely immoral to bulldoze a suicide bomber's family.

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Well there would be some justification if the family helped plan the bombing. But why not arrest members of the family and try them instead of bulldozing the home. This seems like overkill to me.

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Unless they helped plan/carry out the bombing, right?

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Well there would be some justification if the family helped plan the bombing. But why not arrest members of the family and try them instead of bulldozing the home. This seems like overkill to me.

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This seems like overkill to me.

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I guess one could argue the old eye-for-an-eye rationale, since the bomber did (or intended to) kill/maim innocent people.

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It must be eye-for-an-eye...
But I think that doesnt get you anywhere.. look at northern ireland, they kept that going for years...

Like ghandi said: an eye for an eye makes the world blind..

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Not that I disagree, but what lasting affect did he have on India? Ethnic differences are still at a boiling point in that country. Pacifism is an interesting ideal, but it completely falls apart when confronted with a determined and violent foe.

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Unlike America, he gained indepence for his country without mass bloodshed.

They have a democratic gov't, and so on. I can think of a few other colonized states (ex. much of Africa) that have not fared so well.

OTOH, I'm not entirely sold on pacificism, but I'm moving towards it. The diffficulty is that war is really effective short-term.

...as for ethnic tensions, that is a nasty situation that hasn't fully played out yet. It's too bad we found ourselves having to prop up the Pakistani dictator, there's a situation (India/Pakistan) where we should really be worried about WMDs.

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Without mass bloodshed? Are we talking about the same country?

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I suppose its apples and oranges. Americans had French support & were fairly well off in terms of money and arms. India had none of the above. Our revolution resulted in 25,000 dead, I can't find stats on India just now.

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Not that I disagree, but what lasting affect did he have on India? Ethnic differences are still at a boiling point in that country. Pacifism is an interesting ideal, but it completely falls apart when confronted with a determined and violent foe.

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Pacifism is an interesting ideal, but it completely falls apart when confronted with a determined and violent foe.

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just re-read this. I think that pacificism does work against a determined and violent foe - to say that Britian, South Africa's administration, the southern US. et al weren't determined nor violent isn't right..

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