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EJSHUMAK
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Re: Gringo Bill

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Originally posted by Keefer Lucas

Like it or not, yes it does.

Unfortunately---

10-24-2002 02:29 AM

foo fighter
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Originally posted by Toby
...it (Pocket PC) has never seemed to be able to gain much market share beyond it's initial level,

Not in the US, but in world wide marketshare, Microsoft is nearly neck and neck with PalmOS..especially in Europe. I suspect the new PPC low-end price scale is going to cause a significant surge in share for Microsoft, at the cost of PalmOS.

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10-24-2002 07:45 PM

Kupe
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Originally posted by alight
Guess what?

The world doesn't revolve around MS Office.

Dream on little dreamer. Someday you'll understand that wishing something still doesn't make it true.

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[i]Originally posted by Palm-n-Hand[i]
Here is how I sync a PocketWord Document to my works Pocket PC. After making the document select file tab from the toolbar. Select SaveAs and select the file to save it to, name file. Hotsync.

I wonder why you do the extra steps for the PocketPC? Save as, name the file, save to the synch directory (any directory you want to designate), done. Activesync is automatic - the PocketPC world doesn't have to "activate Hotsync" to excahnge information with the desktop. You really should at least try out a PocketPC before you comment on it.

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Why can't a PPC sync up to my Mac without some third party App???? When is the PPC going to catch up on the times?

How ironic - I guess you don't use OS X, otherwise you must have been complaining about how the PocketPC could be synced to an OS X Mac about 6 months before Palm Desktop finally fixed this small oversight!

As in all things technological, it's simply a matter of choice. Choosing Palm gives you a simple, easy to use, reliable capability with a huge selection of third party software. Choosing PocketPC gives you built-in, seamless integration with the number 1 office suite. Each has growth potential beyond its initial implementation. Palm OS is attempting to iprove its current growth potential with a significant rewrite of its OS.

Kupe

10-24-2002 08:08 PM

Toby
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quote:
Originally posted by foo fighter
Not in the US, but in world wide marketshare, Microsoft is nearly neck and neck with PalmOS..especially in Europe.

Aren't both of them fighting for second place, though?

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I suspect the new PPC low-end price scale is going to cause a significant surge in share for Microsoft, at the cost of PalmOS.

I'm watching that out of curiosity as well. With the Viewsonic and the upcoming Dell offerings, things should get pretty interesting. Unfortunately, I'm not really seeing any of them offering something that I'd consider my ultimate PDA. The closest things I've seen are the Toshiba e740 and that Japanese Sharp clamshell. Too bad Palm isn't smart enough to get either or both of them as licensees.

10-24-2002 08:44 PM

foo fighter
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Originally posted by Toby
Aren't both of them fighting for second place, though?

LOL! Yeah, Symbian really left Palm and HP choking on fumes in Europe.

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I'm watching that out of curiosity as well. With the Viewsonic and the upcoming Dell offerings, things should get pretty interesting.

This is going to be fun to watch. It really is difficult to tell which way the pendulum could swing, but I suspect Microsoft is going to see significant growth, especially when you stack a $199 full function PPC from Dell against similarly priced PalmOS devices. It doesn't look good.

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Unfortunately, I'm not really seeing any of them offering something that I'd consider my ultimate PDA. The closest things I've seen are the Toshiba e740 and that Japanese Sharp clamshell. Too bad Palm isn't smart enough to get either or both of them as licensees.

I agree. In fact, PPCs are getting a little boring on the innovation front. These new PPCs are rather unimpressive, but I find the price very exciting. PalmOS needs competition badly. OS5 is horribly unimpressive. I doubt it will spur hardware sales unless developers create some truly killer apps.

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10-24-2002 09:59 PM

Alslayer
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see what i mean about debating over details.

10-24-2002 10:00 PM

Toby
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quote:
Originally posted by Alslayer
see what i mean about debating over details.

Foo and I were actually talking in generalities and not "trivial details". I'm sure as hell not looking for an all in one device either. The convergence thing is actually why nothing impresses me. I don't want a combo pdaphone that doesn't perform well as a pda or a phone. I'm looking for a good PDA. Standardized expansion, a good screen, and good battery life are most important. UI also matters, but quite honestly I'd learn to cope with PocketPC if it had Pocket Quicken and the hardware specs were acceptable.

10-24-2002 10:34 PM

Palm-n-Hand
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quote:
Originally posted by Kupe

You really should at least try out a PocketPC before you comment on it.

How ironic - I guess you don't use OS X, otherwise you must have been complaining about how the PocketPC could be synced to an OS X Mac about 6 months before Palm Desktop finally fixed this small oversight!
Kupe

I'm sorry but I thought a Casio EM-500 and a HP Jornada both ran the PocketPC OS. Apologies for my ignorance. I have used the OSX for about four months now so what happened six months I don't have any knowledge or care about. Fact is I can sync a Palm right out of the box and a Pocket PC I can not, although I guess the devices I bought thinking they had Pocket PC did not as you have pointed out. By the way when will Microsoft be fixing its "small oversight"?

Last edited by Palm-n-Hand on 10-25-2002 at 04:07 AM

10-25-2002 02:31 AM

GSR13
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quote:
Originally posted by Toby
Foo and I were actually talking in generalities and not "trivial details". I'm sure as hell not looking for an all in one device either. The convergence thing is actually why nothing impresses me. I don't want a combo pdaphone that doesn't perform well as a pda or a phone. I'm looking for a good PDA. Standardized expansion, a good screen, and good battery life are most important. UI also matters, but quite honestly I'd learn to cope with PocketPC if it had Pocket Quicken and the hardware specs were acceptable.

I am with you on the convergence thing. The last thing I need is one device that does all things mediocre and nothing well. I would much rather carry an excellent PDA and an excellent phone.

PocketPC is an adjustment, especially coming from the PalmOS. I found it worth it for the added advantages, one of those being WiFi. I will be happier _if_ MS releases an OS that is optimized for the XScale Processor. It might be running at 400Mhz, but it is slower than the 206Mhz StrongARM iPaqs.

In addition to the new lower priced PPC entries on the horizon is HP's next piece of hardware. The new iPaq is supposed to have Bluetooth and WiFi built-in. There will also be a GPRS version available. The key factor is the cost. They are actually supposed to be in the $500.00 range. Not bad considering my 3955 was $649.00.

The single biggest complaint I have is how unstandard the PPC machines have been. Until PPC2002, there were multiple processor choices. This meant that developers had to write different versions of their apps to support the different hardware.

There is ample software available for PPC, but some of it comes at a rather large price.

**And according to LandWare, Pocket Quicken is on the way for PPC. Anticipated release Q4_2002. Of course, we all know how often software developers meet their deadlines.**

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10-25-2002 05:51 AM

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