Registered: Apr 2000
Location:
Posts: 266

FYI-

I was selling my left over WriteRights on eBay, and Mr. Warman contacted them claiming I am infringing on his copyright, trademark or other rights.

So, to Mr. Warman......this items will be continued to be listed by me on ebay for sale. I am asking you to please bring it on....I have the time and the money to make sure you never bother another person again with your BS and paranoid attitude.

Until then,
Ryan Clayton
[email protected]

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Registered: Nov 1999
Location:
Posts: 341

I love this! Good job challenging this megalomanic. For the rest of us, please continue to debunk this person and his beloved VSPS products by leaving negative feedback everytime you see him 'spam' a NG with anything remotely involving a screen protector post. This class A jerk will not even respond properly to questions about his own product. Just read backwards here in this thread.

Mike

Registered: May 2000
Location: Houston, TX, USA
Posts: 194

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Originally posted by rclayton:
FYI-

I was selling my left over WriteRights on eBay, and Mr. Warman contacted them claiming I am infringing on his copyright, trademark or other rights.

So, to Mr. Warman......this items will be continued to be listed by me on ebay for sale. I am asking you to please bring it on....I have the time and the money to make sure you never bother another person again with your BS and paranoid attitude.

Until then,
Ryan Clayton
[email protected]

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Registered: Sep 1999
Location: Texan in Calgary for a while
Posts: 1361

Wow, I didn't even know about this thread and where it was going. Keep the personal attacks out of it and you can continue, otherwise I'll close this topic.

Mr. Warman, as several posters would like more information about the product itself, I would be happy to do a review of the VSPS� screen protector for this website. Please email me at [email protected] if this is something that you would like to pursue.

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James Hromadka
VisorCentral.com
Personal Website: http://www.Hromadka.com

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Registered: May 2000
Location: Houston, TX, USA
Posts: 194

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Originally posted by JHromadka:
Wow, I didn't even know about this thread and where it was going. Keep the personal attacks out of it and you can continue, otherwise I'll close this topic.

Mr. Warman, as several posters would like more information about the product itself, I would be happy to do a review of the VSPS� screen protector for this website. Please email me at [email protected] if this is something that you would like to pursue.

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Registered: May 2000
Location: Mesa, AZ USA
Posts: 213

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Originally posted by homer:
Bill:

What do you do for a living? Do you actually manufacture these screen protectors, or do you just license the patent? What is your reply to Concept Kitchens' lawyers statement that your Patent is invalid?

Again, nothing wrong with protecting a legitimate invention that you have created, but it appears (and do correct me if I am wrong) that you filed a patent on a common-sense item that had arguably already been invented in different incarnations just to collect outrageous licensing fees.

Clearly, there is a flaw in the patent law system some where. I put this up there with Microsoft's patent on Style Sheets and Amazon's patent on one-click ordering.

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Registered: May 2000
Location: Mesa, AZ USA
Posts: 213

quote:

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Originally posted by rclayton:
FYI-

I was selling my left over WriteRights on eBay, and Mr. Warman contacted them claiming I am infringing on his copyright, trademark or other rights.

So, to Mr. Warman......this items will be continued to be listed by me on ebay for sale. I am asking you to please bring it on....I have the time and the money to make sure you never bother another person again with your BS and paranoid attitude.

Until then,
Ryan Clayton
[email protected]

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[This message has been edited by JHromadka (edited 05-29-2000).]

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Registered: Apr 2000
Location: Santa Clarita, CA
Posts: 198

James,

I think the offer to Mr. Warman is commendable, but I would have to cast my vote against a VisorCentral review of his product.

There is a precedent for "boycotting" or "embargoing" products made by people who are just rotten (Cuban Cigars, various "asian child-labor-sweat-shop" products, etc.). This thread (including the posted links) has shown what kind of guy Mr. Warman is.

Rclayton is now apparently being sued by him for selling on eBay, and Mr. Warman, after numerous opportunities, requests, even BEGGING for information, choses only to respond by HIS personal attacks, inappropriate language (before you rightly deleted it) and provocations. He has had ample opportunity to defend and promote his product on VisorCentral.

If you do decide to do a review anyway (if he ever contacts you, which I seriously doubt) PLEASE make mention of this "controversy" so people can at least make an informed decision after knowing how and who he is.



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Hmmmmmmmm......

Registered: Jan 2000
Location: Twin Cities, MN
Posts: 1683

Thars some fightin' words goin' round in here!

Registered: Nov 1999
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 195

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Originally posted by Stephen Mtichell:


I just received the VSPS clear protectors, and only three days after ordering...

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I wonder whether Mr Mitchell submitted this "comment" to the aptly named Mr. "War-man" for use. I notice that it's posted on his website as an endorsement. Is anything posted here in the public arena to be used in this way? If he did not offer his wordsd to Mr War-man for use, I would hope that Mr. Mitchell was notified and compensated for his endorsement.

Where's a lawyer when you need one!

Registered: Nov 1999
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 195

Virtually every piece of electronic equipment I've ever bought ( going back MORE than twelve years ) has had a protective vinyl strip across any area that might be scratched. How in the world can the idea of putting a protective strip across a screen be considered the intellectual property of ANYONE?! Perhaps Mr. War-man came up with those little strips they've been applying for years, eh?

Just wondering. : :


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Registered: Jan 2000
Location: Twin Cities, MN
Posts: 1683

I tried asking him this very question before, and this was his answer:

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What might be considered common knowledge today. Was not common knowledge
back when the Lap Top Computer was only on the scientist experimental desks.

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Registered: May 2000
Location: Houston, TX, USA
Posts: 194

A question to Mr. Warman
Why do you go after someone who is selling a screen protector second hand? isnt that what people do with computers, and cars, and lots of other stuff every day and not get sued for it? how does the sell of writerights on ebay threaten you?


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Registered: Oct 1999
Location: Metro Station, Hollywood and Highland
Posts: 1018

James,

I have to weigh in with mchlwise against reviewing, and thereby promoting, Mr. Warman's product. This isn't personal, it's ethical. First, you would be doing his job -- providing basic information about his product -- for him, which he has refused to do for would-be customers on several occasions. More importantly, VC would be endorsing his patent extortion by raising his profile against other vendors of screen protectors, many of whom have been, are, or will be his victims. However expedient it may be to separate the product from his predatory litigation, it's still unethical to lend Visor Central's reputation to Warman's business practices. I hope you'll reconsider.

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Registered: Nov 1999
Location:
Posts: 341

James,
I would consider your 'offer' to Mr. Warman extremely ill-advised. Perhaps you are trying to smoke him out. Regardless, if you've read this entire thread I think you know what a reasonable person would conclude. Please do not review this alleged product. I personally think he has 'personal flaws' (I'm being extremely deferential here) but Mr. Warman has succeeded in something he never had planned. He's gotten a groundswell of support in opposition (vocal at that) to his offerings as evidenced both here and on the NG's.

Registered: Mar 2000
Location: Burke, VA
Posts: 17

James,

Concur with the previous two posts.

Registered: May 2000
Location: Birmingham, AL, USA
Posts: 38

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Originally posted by VoxDei:
I wonder whether Mr Mitchell submitted this "comment" to the aptly named Mr. "War-man" for use. I notice that it's posted on his website as an endorsement. Is anything posted here in the public arena to be used in this way? If he did not offer his wordsd to Mr War-man for use, I would hope that Mr. Mitchell was notified and compensated for his endorsement.

Where's a lawyer when you need one!

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James, I need your help. Are our words public domain when posted to this sight? Please respond.

VoxDei, thanks for the heads up. I WAS NOT NOTIFIED THAT MY WORDS WERE BEING USED TO OFFICIALLY ENDORSE THIS PRODUCT!! I posted those comments to this group and this group only. I never intended them to be used in this way. Even if the words can be considered public domain, I would have appreciated Mr. Warman at least notifing me that they were being used. If posts to this sight cannot be used in this manner, I expect compensation. In any case, let me make this perfectly clear: ANY PERCEIVED ENDORSEMENT BY ME OF MR. WARMAN'S PRODUCT IS HEREBY RETRACTED, NULLIFIED AND VOIDED! I now fully support the boycott of this product.

Finally, Mr. Warman, I am appalled that you could treat a somewhat pleased customer with such disreguard. Please remove my name and my words from your web sight immediately. If you will not remove my words, at least have the courage to post my complete first post and this post. I will be watching.

Stephen Mitchell
(orginally posted under user name Stephen Mtichell, but I felt kind of dumb having misspelled my own last name!! )



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Registered: May 2000
Location:
Posts: 116

I just have to say that I love my WriteRights. Haven't had a single scratch on my screen yet!!

I suggest you all buy some.

Registered: May 2000
Location: Mesa, AZ USA
Posts: 213

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Originally posted by b1lanceman:
A question to Mr. Warman
Why do you go after someone who is selling a screen protector second hand? isnt that what people do with computers, and cars, and lots of other stuff every day and not get sued for it? how does the sell of writerights on ebay threaten you?

You seem like one helluva dumbass...

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Registered: May 2000
Location: Mesa, AZ USA
Posts: 213

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Originally posted by dequardo:
excuse me: I'M GOING TO SHOUT!

AGAIN A NON-ANSWER FROM THE POTENTATE OF PATENTS!

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE EXPLAIN THE DIFF. BETWEEN CLEAR AND GLOSS. IF CONFUSED PLEASE RE-READ MY POST ABOVE.

PLEASE.

Mike

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