bradhaak
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Originally posted by yardie
What ignorance? Condescending aren't you mr programmer? I know exactly what I am talking about. I work in the PDA realm just like you.
Oh, sales at CompUSA?
I posted a reply responding to your statement that there was nothing worthwhile in v3.5. I showed that you were mistaken with a number of specific examples. At this point, you chose to act ignorant and push what I said off as being too technical to understand. Based on your continued arguments, I'm not convinced it was completely an act. Anyway, I responded to the tone of your reply. If I seem condescending, maybe I am really just descending (to the level that you represented yourself as being at. This is true both as a matter of technical knowledge and maturity). If either of these impressions are incorrect, perhaps you need to be a little more careful with the tone of your replies. Maybe I should too, but this is too much fun.
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This had been said many many times before. The folks here at VC aren't typical of the average user. The average user is still using their Visor and Palm Pilot Pro has a PIM... Not a picture/graphic Viewer. The Visor Platinum I had look exactly the same (in terms of graphics) as the Deluxe I had out of the boz and it was running Palm OS 3.5.
Two points
First, you made the statement in your original post "There is really not that much difference in Palm OS 3.5..Just like how there is nt much difference in Palm OS 4. People just like to have the latest and greatest and Programmers are too lazy to build around the older OS. Imagine programmers building applications that will only work on Windows 2000! Imagine how much money they would make! They do it in the PDA world cuz they can get away with it." Now you seem to agree that there are big differences, but people don't need them unless they are not average users. I don't think that there is such a thing as an average user. There are varying degrees of non-average users. I don't think either of us is qualified to be the arbiter of PDA usage.
Second, you say that VC readers are not members of your group of hypothetical typical users. Even if this is true, the person asking the question about OS 3.5 is a VC member, so by your definition, these features must be important to him (or her???). Thank you.
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Again you are assuming that everyone will need/use the graphic capabilities of the newer OS. Most people do not.
See above.
Beyond that, I don't know. Do you? Chances are, most people won't care about all of the new features, but I suspect that most will care about some of them. That is the point. You use what you need. The fact that some people don't take advantage of a feature doesn't make it bad for the people that do use it.
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PQAs were designed primarily for the Palm VII. Look at the PQAs at PalmGear.com and you will see that Palm VII is listed as a hardware requirement for almost all of them. Sure you can use PQAs on other units. But you have to jump through hoops just like with the Deluxe to get it to work. Come to think of it, PQAs is nothing to argue about anyways. I tried it and I think it sucks..personally.
The Palm VII requirement just means PQA support in the OS. Most of them were written before v3.5 came out. At this time, you needed a Palm VII to use them. This is no longer true. I haven't found a single PQA that won't run with a Palm Vx running OS3.5 and using the Mobile Internet Kit. I have seen one that doesn't do what it is supposed to do, but only because I was connected through my ISP instead of Palm.net. The PQA was supposed to use the tower you were connected through to position you within a couple of miles. Not a huge loss.
Every other PQA that I have tried has functioned correctly. As far As jumping through hoops, I had to install the Mobile Internet Kit. I then installed the PQA. I connected to the Internet and ran the PQA. If this is jumping through hoops, the hoops must be really big and close together.
You hate PQAs, I like them. That gives a tied vote, so let's let people decide for themselves and stick to the facts.
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I agree. Hacks can destabilize your system. However, I have about a dozen hacks on my Visor Prism running Palm OS 3.5.2. I have also seen hacks posted for the new Palm's running OS 4 posted on Palmgear. No matter how much you upgrade OS, there will be hacks to add improvements and power users will utilize them. I have experienced no crashes or speed issues with my dozen hacks.
That's fine, as above, my dislike of hacks is a personal preference so is not incredibly appropriate for this discussion. I have had a number of them crash my organizer in the past, so I guess this is just a case of once bitten, twice shy.
Just one word of advice though. If you ever get a PDA with Palm OS 4, use X-Master or the Teal hack manager. I have heard a lot of people say that HackMaster is really ugly on the new OS.
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Yes command bars are cool! But how many Palm OS 3.5+ users actually use the function? I am willing to bet that not many Joe Schmoe use it.
Same as above. Some will, some won't. But even you will admit that it is a very nice enhancement in v3.5. That is the point of this brawl isn't it?
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I had to laugh when I read this part. You accuse me of being stupid and ignorant above. Then, you turn around and say I was right (that the end user doesn't see most of the features in the later OS). Hmmm.
If you had read my entire statement (or quoted it here), you would probably have picked up on my statement that programming APIs are not exciting to end-users. The programs that support them are. The APIs that are included in Palm OS 3.2 to 3.5 are important to a lot of people because of the programs that they allow to be written and used. At this point they become very important to the end-user.
A good example is Japanese support in the OS. I don't care about it at all (except for the potential revenue stream for my software). I suspect that there are a large number of 'average' end-users that were thrilled by this addition. I could go through dozens of examples like this so that there would potentially be something for everyone.
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I am sure that there are significant differences in the OS for programmers. But my arguement was and still is that there is are significant differences for the end user.
That's my point too. Somehow I don't think that this is what you meant to say.
Last edited by bradhaak on 06-24-2001 at 07:40 AM
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Palm OS 3.5
06-19-2001 10:50 PM
even an Ipaq when I upgrade my VDx
Nt much difference
Re: Nt much difference
and the reason for choosing Visor vs Palm was the promise of hardware options(GPS, phone, camera,memory options,etc.) which assumed the OS could support them and the new software functions as they became available. This is proving not to be true(PiDirect). Now nearly all the Palm alternatives have some form of hardware flexibility and that will grow. Either new HS models get with flash or customers will head for other co. or will go over to the dark force.
Re: Re: Re: Nt much difference
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