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Inventorbillybobbully is a troll. Best to ignore him and he will go back beneath the rock he came from for several months.

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Without in any way trying to knock the quality of the VSPS products, what difference does it make if Palm, et al, endorse a given screen protector or not?

Such endorsements are generally made because the benefit the parties involved, and are not, generally, meant as indications that other products shold not be, or cannot be used.

If another product were to prove detrimental, then Palm would and should state so clearly so it does not open itself up to later problems.

I have heard of the vinyl idea as well and fully intend to try it out. I recall reading somewhere that Flex-O-Warp or a similar product worked well. I believe that comes to a cost of about .001 cents per screen protector if it works right.

Mr. Warman, I am not trying to take money or business away from you or any other screen protector manufacturer. All I am trying to do is to keep my Visor alive forever at no cost- or as close to that goal as I can get.

If you wish to challenge my right to use alternative products, such as vinyl sheeting, in this effort, that is your right and we can take it to court- but my homemade overlay is demonstrably different than your patented idea, and has the benefit of being a logical and natural use of existing products. Based on similar cases recently, I would probably win, even though your patent includes the standard phrases about variations being covered as well.

That aside, may I suggest that you would serve your purposes and product best if instead of the vague threats, you focused on the superiority of your product, prices, or services.

Good luck!

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A very reasoned, rational, articulate and accurate reply. Unfortunately one that will be lost on the wonder boy. Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level. :-)

Mike

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linguas you know better than to use the word Pat...

linguas
"Inventorboy is just a bully who owes his existence to threatening others with his screen protector patent."

Madkins007
"even though your patent includes the standard"

Madkins007 just use caution and do not let a person like linguas drag you into something you shouldn't be involved in.

Superiority, prices, services, and information has always been our goals.

Our Licensed screen protectors came on the market ten dollars cheaper than CK.
Our service to our customers has always been outstanding.
SEE http://www.vsps.com/comments.htm
The Superiority of our product line will be determined by the consumer.
We have always tried to keep the public informed. Some people like the information we put out. and others do not. We try to please everyone, but sometime you cannot.

Sincerely
Bill Warman
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Ok, I want to go down in rectod saying this right....

I appose the Warman Patent, because it is a peace of vinal plastic, and that is it. There realy isn't much thought required in makeing one. Patents are one of the few very appealing things in the copyright code, however they tend to be abused; I tend to favor things that are open and free(in terms of free speach not free beer, for example: Open Ebook, Linux/Unix, GPN licences, Guiltware/Honorware, ect.) I think that patents are great when they are used to protect inteluctculal inventions(expansion slots, LCD technology, ect.) , however they aren't as appealing when they are used as a means to make money (Drug compines, Mr. Warman, ect.).

But having said that, I oppose Mr. Warmans patent for a compeletly different reason: No one should be makeing money off of screen protectors, Warman and his VPPS or whatever, concept kitchen. These are things that should be made at home, and there is no reson for anyone to spend any money on these things. Make your own, go to a fabric store, or even the fabric section of kmart/walmart. If you can't find the vinal imediatly, ask some one, it generaly comes on long rolls. I prefer the thicker clear kinds (4 or 8 mm), however you can get it in different Color and thicknesses. I got 1/8 of a yard nine months ago for 40 cents or so, and I still have about half of it.

Take your vinal and either use a templte of your own design or get one from the internet, I tend to use the old protector as a guide for the new one. What ever you do, don't be affriad to mess up you only paid 1 dollor for that yard, and hopefully by the time you use it up they will have come up with a truely patentable gunk that will repair, and prevent scratches.

Also as a last note to Mr. Warman: I would like to know exectacly why my name is being taken down...

sam

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I can see why this should be free. Mom gives you free TV, Dad gives you a free
car, etc. One day when you grow up. You will understand that while you were in
dippers. There was no such thing as a palm instrument. But there where other
Electronic Instruments that need a screen protector. There were no screen
protectors so in 1988 I invented them. Since 1988 the electronic Industry had to
rethink how they was ripping off their customers.

1. Under the federal warranties act 1974 a company had to explain there warranties
to the consumer. In 1988 the Electronic World decided that they would cover some
Damage, But Physical damages was not covered.

1a. They now cover that type of damage. 2 screen replacements per year on some
models. - You are Welcome

2. Physical damages were not covered.

2a. Some companies now offer the consumer an insurance policy for physical
damages. - You are Welcome

3. Since my invention and pressure to help the consumer. I have showed the
industry that you cannot expect a customer to write on a instrument and destroy the
Instrument under normal conditions with out leaving the consumer some sort of
recourse. - You are Welcome

4. Since my invention and pressure to help the consumer. I have driven down the
price of screen protectors from $28.95 CK to as little as $15.00 and these are
licensed screen protectors. As the industry complies, the consumer will benefit.
You will SEE

They will offer you a free screen protector shortly if you would GROW UP.

http://www.vsps.com/comments.htm

Sincerely
Bill

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InventorB,

When I received my Audiovox cell phone (sold by Verizon Wireless) it came with a piece of clear vinyl covering the display screen to prevent scratches. The supplied screen protector has worked marvelously for the last year.

Considering that this screen protector must be based upon your design, I believe you should seriously look into suing Audiovox and perhaps Verizon as well for infringing upon your patent. You may very well have grounds. And on that note, you should consider possible suits against: Nokia, Samsung, Sprint, Motorola, AT&T, Cingular, etc. I'm sure that all those companies saw examples of your wonderful patented device in use and then blatantly choose to copy your complex design.

My parent's refrigerator has a touch screen controlled ice maker. Lo and behold, it has a piece of clear vinyl over the touch screen placed there by the manufacturer that they've never removed. Considering that this protective vinyl protects the screen while you can still work through to the controls, shows that this company is ripping you off as well. Come to think of it, I'm positive the refrigerator was purchased before 1988. Damn, those appliance companies must have had corporate spies out while you were in early development. Perhaps there's a mole in your company.

Inventorb, all I ask is� if you choose to sue them, please leave us alone at VisorCentral. Thank you.


Sincerely, Monica Barnhart


If yours is a one-man company, please interpret my comment regarding a potential mole in your company as justification to have a psychiatric evaluation performed. I'd hate for you to have undiagnosed multiple personality disorder.

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I just HAD to fix my spelling mistake.

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You are WRONG:

What you are referring to is a temporary shipping label. Please contact the
manufacture of the Electronic Instrument, ask them if you can purchase a
replacement for your faceplate. If they give you their catalog name, and number. Please
send them to me. I will contact them.

No evaluation is needed and I will not lower my self to your standards. Please
read the entire message I have given you a lot of crucial information. If you and your
friends would mellow out the industry is trying to help you.

Sincerely
Bill
http://www.vsps.com/comments.htm

1. Under the federal warranties act 1974 a company had to explain there warranties
to the consumer. In 1988 the Electronic World decided that they would cover some
Damage, But Physical damages was not covered.

1a. They now cover that type of damage. 2 screen replacements per year on some
models. - You are welcome

2. Physical damages were not covered.
2a. Some companies now offer the consumer an insurance policy for physical
damages. - You are welcome

3. Since my invention and pressure to help the consumer. I have showed the
industry that you cannot expect a customer to write on a instrument and destroy the
Instrument under normal conditions with out leaving the consumer some sort of
recourse. - You are welcome

4. Since my invention and pressure to help the consumer. I have driven down the
price of screen protectors from $28.95 CK to as little as $15.00 and these are
licensed screen protectors. As the industry complies the consumer will benefit. You
will see

They will offer you a free screen protector shortly if you would GROW UP.

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quote:

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You are WRONG:

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Mr. Warman,

Reviewing your history and patent, I thank you for your efforts (no sarcasm intended!) Your idea was certainly a good one, and I am glad to see the massive, positive impact it has had on display screens, etc.

While I am sure you and your company offer good service (we can easily see you offer good prices), the tone of your posts is often less than good advertising for you. I know that a lot of it is reactionary to the comments being made, but they are still managing to cast you in a less than desireable light.

Good luck on your on-going efforts, and I will probably be dropping an order off here pretty soon!

Mark

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To Inventorbillybobbully:

You are the weakest link, goodbye!

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Wheee, here we go again!

quote:

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Originally posted by Inventorb
...One day when you grow up. You will understand

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Originally posted by dequardo
To Inventorbillybobbully:

You are the weakest link, goodbye!

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dequardo,
There will never be a more appropriate use of that phrase!

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"tone of your posts is often less than good "

The only tone that you hear on Visor Central is the tone of an Inventor that has struggled very hard for 13 years, to get
to a point of enforcement. I have to enforce this patent, and I will against any and all. If this tone is not except able
please excuse me. I am doing what I am required by law to do. It is probably hard to understand this position. Please
walk in my shoes, and see how this journey has unfolded

My Apologies are offered.

Sincerely
Bill Warman



P.S.
As for linguas, dequardo, your words are minimal, and your thought process follows closely.
We have heard the same out of the both of you for months. At least I am trying to help the consumer.
You two should get with DALE he needs a crying partner.
Good Luck I hope your attitudes change someday. The world is not all that bad.
You will see., and the Truth will Prevail.

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Originally posted by Celchu19
Ok, I want to go down in rectod saying this right....

I appose the Warman Patent, because it is a peace of vinal plastic, and that is it. There realy isn't much thought required in makeing one.

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Toby:

" but only the request that one makes one's modifications, if any, just as available and open to the community as a whole"

Isn't this a licensee requirement? Just a thought

Bill


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Originally posted by Inventorb
At least I am trying to help the consumer

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quote:

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Originally posted by Inventorb
[...] Isn't this a licensee requirement? Just a thought [...]

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Originally posted by Inventorb



P.S.
As for linguas, dequardo, your words are minimal, and your thought process follows closely.
We have heard the same out of the both of you for months. At least I am trying to help the consumer.
You two should get with DALE he needs a crying partner.
Good Luck I hope your attitudes change someday. The world is not all that bad.
You will see., and the Truth will Prevail.

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The same people on the same issues. Nice try but I'm hear to stay. I am the expert.
I am proud of it.

Your comments are not on point and are non productive and should be removed.

The "New WriteRights" are not a legal licensed product, and are not endorsed by
Palm, Inc. This is the bottom line. Bring this product into compliance. Then an open
discussion would not be a Infringing matter. At this moment the Inducement of this
product is questionable at the least.


linguas

Veiled threat:

Who said this?

"(I will take down your name...)"

These words did not come from me.



Did you Stre....tch the statement a little bit to fit your needs?

Bill

Caution might be in order!!!

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