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As far as PC designs are concerned (both UI's and physical boxes) I have heard someone explain it in the automobile approach.

Back in the late 70's & early 80's when the automobile had finally peaked as far as performance and features are concerned, the industry decided to go towards style as a selling point. Just look at the PT Cruiser. It's been selling out at every dealership, apparently because a. it looks nice and b. because its relatively cheap.

The guy said that this is the way computer manufacturers are just beginning to turn now. As our components are finally reaching the point of more than enough processing, video, memory, etc power (well not in MHO, but that's just me), the makers can finally look at getting people to integrate their machines into their decor, rather than hiding them under the desk, through the use of stylish covers and accessories.

This made a lot of sense to me. As someone said previously, America is substance over style (not a bad thing at all!) and since we've now got the substance I guess that sometime in the near future we'll be seeing a more creative approach to the ole beige box that we've grown to hate! (Just promise me....no more translucent covers!!!!!)

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Originally posted by LuckyChuck:
I have heard someone explain it in the automobile approach...

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Registered: Dec 1999
Location: Chandler, AZ
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I feel PC style will become more and more common. However, from my experience it seems like most people, when given the option of a stylish system or a more power system will go with the more powerful system (assuming the same price for either).

The reason for this is simple. Even though a baseline system will be ample power for most people, in 3 years, it is obsolete. Purchasing a less eye appealing system will technically extend the usefulness of the purchase.

Until systems become fast enough to where it is instant on, instant application launching, etc..etc..etc.. will style take a backseat. However, I think the manufacturers will need to be aware of when style interferes with operations/functionaility.

Having said this, as with my previous post, I feel that Apple has overstepped this boundry. Sure its nice that they have given style a front seat in their computer design, however, I think with the examples I have pointed out in my previous post points out that the design should not supercede functionaility or interfere with use.

It seems that Compaq is one company that realizes this. While I haven't had the opportunity to dig into one of their iPaq desktop computers, it appears to integrate functionaility, usability and interoperability with style. Above all, it does this at a low price point.

Joe

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style or function is what it mainly comes down to. if you want something that is simply a fad, Imac, if you want something with power and capability, high end PC, G4 what have you

if your totaly power insane like i am. :P
build it your damn self!

ehehe
dual celeron 400 over clocked to 600 MHZ each. totaling 1200MHZ! beat that athalon! on a entry level server brd from gigabyte(#1 bad thing about it, it only handles a 100 bus )
512 megs of ram
1 13 gig UDM 66 eide(yha it's a dual between win2k and linux only reaons i have it)
scsi uw3 raid
5 segate 10 gigers (and still not enough space)
yamaha 4x8x12x RW drive
20x plextor (da only way to live is with plextor)
MS intellimouse explorer (da laser one! talk about shape looks and the best mouse i've ever owned. not to mention the most expencive)
1 17" viewsonic
1 21" viewsonic (hey you can't beat viewsonic! they simply rock)
SBlive platinum wich i hooked up to my old sterio system pioneer deck with a 500 watt amp and 5 way suround sound system (yha i'm an audio file too but i can't stand those stupid computer speakers. especialy the ones on the Imac or the ones bundled with any PC, sorry they just suck!)
MS natural keyb
ATI allin wounder agp
da g crd. :P gammers know what i'm talking about, but i wana switch to an O2 crd. heck duble z buffers gotta be good for games. :P

umm oh yha the asorted stuff
10/100 nic's(2 of them)
10/100 switch 16 port
a multitude of scaners and printers all of which never made me happy with there results,
a bunch of usb hubs and a whole lot of cable behind this system.
In fact i got so much stuff i needed to even build me own computer desk,


and befor you try to knock me down i built it all myself and i paid less then most ppl spend on new PIII or athalon systems and i kick the livin $#!+ out of any of them.
I;ve proven it with all my buddies, i render mpeg live while there systems just swap disk space.

but i'm replcing this system with a new system, found someone who is selling a quad server brd.
ahahahhahah power is everything. and the more cpu's yha got the better!

Registered: May 2000
Location: Houston, TX, USA
Posts: 194

First of all piloteer... a 1000 mhz athlon could beat your system... its not necessarily speed alone but also the architecture... while both celeron and athlon are x-86, newer Athlons and PIII's have the processor cache on die... which makes life a whole helluva lot faster. why in the heck would you need this kinda system power anyways... and most programs arent dual processor compatible either way. SO the dual celerons are just massive overkill

End Note: unless youre running a server... that machine is a waste of money

Registered: May 2000
Location: Houston, TX, USA
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oh yeah
one more thing
ATI cards for the most part are pieces of C*ap

get a GeForce2 if you want something good

Registered: Nov 1999
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BORING!

i like the blueberry iMac best....

let's get a little sun? enjoy the real world.

Registered: Dec 1999
Location: brooklyn
Posts: 268

i'm with you, hoser...

seems to me some of these kids need to lighten up.

yeesh.

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i like bananas.

Registered: Dec 1999
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Originally posted by b1lanceman:
oh yeah
one more thing
ATI cards for the most part are pieces of C*ap

get a GeForce2 if you want something good

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Registered: Oct 1999
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Wow! And I was actually concerned my topic wouldn't get any significant response. You people have some rather heated opinions. Basically, I agree with most of them. You guys seem to have misinterpreted me though. I'm not saying that I would choose style over substance...given the choice I'd probably select a workstation based on value and performance rather than color. My point is; why can't we have both? Is there some reason Dell won't offer me a loaded Dimension system available in a color other than beige? At this point, I'll take a black case, or even gray or graphite (graphite...where have I heard of that color?).

So far, I think PC makers have fallen VERY short in offering more stylish designs to peak my interest. I'm becoming more interested in Apples professional systems, but the current crop of G4s are completely overpriced! Take for example the least expensive G4 model; It has a 400MHZ PPC processor, 64MB Ram, 10GB Hard drive, and DVD ROM...total price=$1600. For that price I can get a DELL Dimension system with an 800MHZ PIII, 128MB RAM, 20GB Hard drive, and DVD. There's no comparison! I think Apple should be shot for offering such meager options at such a high price point.

I'll be keeping my eye on MacWorld NY in July, but for now, there really aren't any standout systems from either platforms. Regardless, I wouldn't choose the current MacOS if you gave it to me. The interface looks elegant, but I agree that the underlying code base is a train wreck!

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Originally posted by matty:
i'm with you, hoser...

seems to me some of these kids need to lighten up.

yeesh.

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LIGHTEN UP?!?!?! LIGHTEN UP?!?!?! ...i think alittle MORE colour is in order....a tan perhaps?

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why can't we have both?

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Registered: Oct 1999
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Originally posted by homer:
As a society, we're a pretty tastless bunch...we're ALL about functionality and really couldn't care about style at all.

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Registered: Sep 1999
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I read an article today in the local paper that Compaq is now going to have faceplates with different colors on its Presario desktops.

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Registered: May 2000
Location: Houston, TX, USA
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Originally posted by Hoser_in_USA:
BORING!

i like the blueberry iMac best....

let's get a little sun? enjoy the real world.

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Registered: Nov 1999
Location: bright side of the moon.
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Originally posted by b1lanceman:
... i think im gonna be sick...

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kewl! it might add some colour to your biege computer!!

Registered: May 2000
Location: Houston, TX, USA
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DAMMIT (excuse my language) COMPUTERS ARENT SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD LOOKING!!! THEYRE SUPPOSED TO LOOK STERILE. WHEN I GET A COMPUTER I DONT WANT WANNA SAY " MAN THIS THING LOOKS PRETTY" I WANNA FEEL LIKE ITS A PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY!!!!

lol
i dont really have much against good looking computers... but imacs are evil... if youre going to go down the mac road, for gods sake get a G4

Registered: Jan 2000
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Well, b1lanceman, you've just validated my theory that we, as a society, are tasteless.

That's not a personal attack at you, but rather americans (myself included) in general.

Why does technology have to be "sterile." It should be fun! I think Sony does this best...there is nothing "sterile" about sony products.

Apple IS doing the right thing...they are making computers MUCH more approachable...something that the vast majority of "sterile" computers have had trouble with all along.

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Originally posted by homer:
Apple IS doing the right thing...they are making computers MUCH more approachable...something that the vast majority of "sterile" computers have had trouble with all along.

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Registered: Oct 1999
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Originally posted by JHromadka:
I read an article today in the local paper that Compaq is now going to have faceplates with different colors on its Presario desktops.

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