Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Hmmm. When you say Connecting, you're not using the "Connect option on the menu of Balde's Bluetooth screen, are you?

I mean the one where you select which device and service... This "Connect" is just adebug tool. It allows you to connect two devices in order to make sure they visible, paired, availalbe, etc...

The Connect button is the one in the Network options.

Other question... How many COM your Bluetooth provides? Perhaps you have more than one, and MochaPPP is listening to the wrong one. When doing the connect, does your notebook/desktop Blueooth manager indicates which serial profile is use there? This is the one MochaPPP should be listening on.

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No, I'm not using the Connect option on Blade's Bluetooth screen. I'm using the Connect button on the Palm Preferences - Network screen.

The PC 3COM Bluetooth software shows the following COM port setup:

Hosts Port

Port: 3COM Bluetooth Serial Host (COM4)
Profile: SerialPort

Client Ports

Serial Client (COM3) -> Serial Port
DUN Client (COM5) -> Dial-up Networking
Fax Client (COM6) -> Fax
LAN Client (COM7) -> LAN Access

On the Palm Preferences - Bluetooth screen, it shows that Blade has discovered and connected to the PC (Connection: Bt Serial Host)

MochaPPP Screen:

COM Port: COM3
Baud Rate: 57600
PPP Link is Active

I tried using COM4 on MochaPPP, but it didn't work.

Thanks for your help!

Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Well your 3COM is offering COM4, so you have to use COM4 on MochaPPP. MochaPPP will support up to COM8.

Do you have anything using COM2? COM2 and COM4 may conflict. Try disabling COM2 in your BIOS as well.

Registered: Sep 2001
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Also, if you have LAN Access Profile on your 3COM card, try using BT LAN Access.

To work you'll need to share your current internet connection with the 3COM Virtual Bluetooth Ethernet Adapter, which is easy if you're using Win2k Pro.

Just a thought.

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Nothing seems to be using COM2 (built-in modem is COM1). I don't know how to disable COM2 in BIOS (I tried with the F2 at bootup, but didn't see a listing of com ports. Besides, I'm a Mac guy

Doesn't work with MochaPPP set to COM4 - Network Preferences connecting via BtSerialHost or via BTSerial. Get message "Waiting for incoming connection", which never happens.

Palm Network prefs set to connect via BT Lan Access gives a "No devices in selected category" error, although sharing my current Internet connection with the 3COM Virtual Bluetooth Ethernet Adapter makes a lot of sense.

I'm using Win98SE (not 2kPro), so I don't know how to do this. Searched download.com for "share internet connection" and got lots of hits for proxies allowing other computers to connect via mine, but I couldn't tell if any of them allowed a virtual device connecting to a com port to share access.

I guess we're "early adopters" !!

Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Yep, early adopters... Not a solution but some comments:

BTSerialHost is when the Visor waits for incoming connection (Server) and BTSerial is when the Visor initiates a connection (Cclient). Use BTSerial to connect.

Also, in the Bluetooth Prefs make sure you move your notebook to the proper group. Tap [2] and select the checkbox in front of your computer's name. Then tap the [Move] button. Move it to Computers.

Now, tap [1] and select Computers in the listbox next to Serial Port. This will teach the Visor to connect to the first Bluetooth device in the Computers group, when SerialPort access is needed. You can choose "Prompt" if more than one computer exists.

You can do this for the other categories, and this will clear the "No device in this category" error.

Also, if you're using W98, ICS can be installed from the Control Panel, Add/Remove Applications. But don't do it, you won't need.

Try MochaPPP again after these changes!

Red-M sent me an e-mail saying that there are some problems when connecting to a TDK USB Bluetooth device.

Currently there is an updated version of the firmware for the Blade Springboard. A new version of software and firmware will be released next week or so http://www.red-m.com

My version is Hardware 2.0(4), software 3.20.03A1, firmware 1.00.04




Now, try doing the connection again!

Registered: Jan 2002
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Moving the notebook to the proper group in Blade's Bluetooth preference screen (didn't see THAT documented anywhere!!) allowed me to establish a Bt Serial connection via MochaPPP on COM4. Unfortunately, still no web/e-mail success.

Bt Lan Access from Blade gave the following error:

"Failed to connect (Service Not Supported)"

LAN Access & Serial Port both set to Computer in Bluetooth prefs on Palm; laptop has been moved to Computer category.

I couldn't figure out how to add ICS thru the Win98 Add/Remove Programs control panel, or how to set up one of the shareware routers. I assume what I have to do for LAN access is somehow get the laptop sharing TCP/IP with COM4 (3COM Bluetooth Serial Host). I see how the router prefs let you set up TCP/IP port mapping - don't see how to do COM port mapping.

Registered: Jan 2002
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oops...

Visor Prism
Hardware v2.0(4)
Software v3.30.01A1
Firmware v1.00.03

I've tried contacting Red-M support before, and they never returned my messages (hmm...). You would think they'd like their users to be able to actually do something with this cute little $200.00 gizmo.

Maybe you should write their manual, freitasm

Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Hmmm, that's a progress :-)

Your 3COM card may not have the LAN Access profile. I don't know how to check it on the 3COM osftware, on the TDK have the profile and parameters there.

Don't worry about the LAN Access for now. Don't worry about ICS, it's only need if using the LAN Access profile. If you can establish a connection via MochaPPP that's ok.

MochaPPP does not require ICS at all.

Do you have a firewall on your computer? Norton Internet Security, or something like that? In the defaut configuration, one you connected to MochaPPP you should be able to use any resource (including ICQ, Blazer, Eudora, etc) from your Visor.

Registered: Jan 2002
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Got it!!

I checked my Visor network log:

Service name: Moca
Local IP address: 12.1.2.3
Gateway address: 127.0.0.1
DNS addresses: 127.0.0.1

So then, in my Palm Network Prefs, I clicked Details..., then UN-checked "Query DNS - Automatic" and manually entered my ISP's name server.

Voila!

Thanks again for your patient assistance!

Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good stuff... I sometimes think of getting out of my full time job to write articles. I should do this, really.

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You really should! It seems the Bluetooth vendors are all waiting for someone to figure out how to connect to their products. It would be nice to have a step-by-step guide to making it work.

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I'm thinking of going to a very similar setup (Prism/Bluetooth, T39m phone) but I wanted to add the bluetooth headset into the mix, and I was curious if you (or if anyone) has tried this yet (I saw that it was asked earlier, I was just checking up on further status)?

Since I'm a total bluetooth newbie, I do have a question: Can there only be ONE bluetooth connection active at a time? In other words, if I use my Prism to 'dial' out a voice call, am I prevented from using the bluetooth headset to actually hear the call? Similarly, if I'm using the headset, can I not use the PDA phone dialer app to hangup and whatnot? Or are multiple connections such as these possible?

Would I be limited to using the PDA/Phone pair simply as a modem and keep the phone/headset combo for voice?

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Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Hi!

Yes, I have the headset. The Bluetooth specs allow for multipoint connections. The Ericsson T39m implementation, however, only allows for one connection at a time.

If you use your Visor to dial, using PhoneMate for instance, it'll not allow you to use the headset.

However, I've found that the TDK Dialler (available from http://www.tdksys.com/Support/blue5.html) allows you to dial from the Visor, and disconnect, leaving the T39m available for the headset.

Of course, if the headset is in use, you'll not be able to use your Visor to hangup...

However it's a very ugly interface, and slow (I mean slow) to display the records!

Also, it's a shame most of the Bluetooth cards/USB adapaters for PC/notebook does not support HEADSET profile. Would be cool to use the headset, instead of headphones with wires, while gaming :-)

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Thanks, that's what I needed to know.

Do you know if any bluetooth mobile phones allow for multipoint connections? Or are all currently available phones (Ericsson, Nokia, other vendors who may/may not have bluetooth enabled gadgetry) single connection only?

It really would be cool to essentially remove the phone from the mix altogether (keep it in one's pocket/bookbag, etc etc). All one would then need to keep on his/her person would be the PDA and the Headset in order to surf, check email, AND make voice calls.

Thanks again.

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Hmmm. Not sure. I read somewhere Ericsson uses the same chipset along all line, which is why they can only have multipoint connections. Nokia is a little bit behind - you have to buy a special battery with the Bluetooth thing in it!

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Ah well, it WOULD have been cool.

Doesn't mean that I've changed my mind, I'm still going bluetooth soon, hehe.

But I've also decided to upgrade to a CLIE T-615C. Problem is, I don't think Sony's "Infostick" (bluetooth Memory Stick) is out of the gate yet.

Whereas the Visors have a solution NOW, I'd have to wait a bit longer for a Sony solution, I think.

Thanks for starting this thread, BTW. I never would have thought to even TRY to go this route before I stumbled across this.

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quote:

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Originally posted by freitasm
Nokia is a little bit behind - you have to buy a special battery with the Bluetooth thing in it!

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Module questions???

Sorry if you already answered this question, but are the apps (EudoraWebSuite, the SMS app) on the card, or do they take up memory on the Visor? I just ordered the Blade myself, and I'm concerned with the amount of free space I'll have left on my Prism. I'd rather just use one module most of the time, and would like it to be the Blade.

Thanks!

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Registered: Sep 2001
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Eudora and MonkeySMS are on the card. Don't worry!