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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nt much difference
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Originally posted by bradhaak
Oh, sales at CompUSA?
Hahah. No. I actually do Tech Support so I deal with a lot of end users per week. I know what I am talking about (So do you BTW).
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Now you seem to agree that there are big differences, but people don't need them unless they are not average users. I don't think that there is such a thing as an average user. There are varying degrees of non-average users. I don't think either of us is qualified to be the arbiter of PDA usage.
There may be big differences in the newer OS for programmers. But I don't think there is much difference for the End User. I played with a Palm Device running Palm OS 4 and my Visor running Palm OS 3.5 and really could not tell the difference between the two. How are the new features a benefit to me, the end user, if I cannot use them or don't see them?
I agree with you that the benefits might show up in third party applications. But, not everyone use third party applications on their units. Also, I strongly suspect that programmers like yourself (witrh some time and effort) can code your software so that it works with earlier version of the O.S.
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Second, you say that VC readers are not members of your group of hypothetical typical users. Even if this is true, the person asking the question about OS 3.5 is a VC member, so by your definition, these features must be important to him (or her???). Thank you.
I am being philosophical here. But how can a feature be important to someone if they don't know the feature exist? My statement about VCers is general statement. Not all VCers are power users. I strongly suspect that most of the posters are however.
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Chances are, most people won't care about all of the new features, but I suspect that most will care about some of them. That is the point. You use what you need. The fact that some people don't take advantage of a feature doesn't make it bad for the people that do use it.
Are the new features in the newer OS a need or is it a "nice to have"? Doesn't the Deluxe and Visor do the same thing you bought the unit for when it came out in 1999?
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The Palm VII requirement just means PQA support in the OS. Most of them were written before v3.5 came out. At this time, you needed a Palm VII to use them. This is no longer true. I haven't found a single PQA that won't run with a Palm Vx running OS3.5 and using the Mobile Internet Kit. I have seen one that doesn't do what it is supposed to do, but only because I was connected through my ISP instead of Palm.net. The PQA was supposed to use the tower you were connected through to position you within a couple of miles. Not a huge loss.
OK you have to buy the Mobile Internet Kit and fiddle aroung with that. PLus you have to connect through Palm.net and not your ISP. That sounds like jumping through hoops to me. And does this Mobile Internet Kit even work with the Visor? Please tell me how PQA support is a benefit of the OS if I have to go true so much trouble to set it up. I think you need to differentiate between a Benefit and a Potential Benefit. There is a big difference between the two.
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Just one word of advice though. If you ever get a PDA with Palm OS 4, use X-Master or the Teal hack manager. I have heard a lot of people say that HackMaster is really ugly on the new OS.
Thanks for the advice. I am using X-Master on my Prism 
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Same as above. Some will, some won't. But even you will admit that it is a very nice enhancement in v3.5. That is the point of this brawl isn't it?
Umm. I thought this was a lively debate. I really don't consider this thread a brawl. There is no animosity here. You have some valid points as a programmer. And I think I have some valid points as someone that deals with hundreds of end users per week.
Yes some of the features in Palm OS 3.5 are nice to have. But, I could have lived without them. I am sure there are tens of thousands of Visor users that are doing so.
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If you had read my entire statement (or quoted it here), you would probably have picked up on my statement that programming APIs are not exciting to end-users. The programs that support them are. The APIs that are included in Palm OS 3.2 to 3.5 are important to a lot of people because of the programs that they allow to be written and used. At this point they become very important to the end-user.
OK. I understand. But, my question is why can't the same programs be designed to work on versions of the Palm OS older than 3.2. I get the impression that these new software designed for later versions of the OS can also be designed (with some time and effort) to work on earlier versions of the OS. I have seen programs on PalmGear.com in the past that have pretty much the same functionality, but one requires a later version of the OS.
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I am sure that there are significant differences in the OS for programmers. But my arguement was and still is that there is are significant differences for the end user.
That's my point too. Somehow I don't think that this is what you meant to say.
Hahah. I goofed . You know what I mean though. Yes there may be big differences for programmers, but there is little there for the end users like myself.
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