KRamsauer
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Houston, TX
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Originally posted by K. Cannon
You still haven't answered the question I posed b/c you changed it. But I won't dwell...
I interpretted your question about whether or not the assumption was morally wrong. And I said (giving the response a line of it's own, no less): No. Can I help you further?
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I think perhaps the problem is that you are not understanding that there is an inherent difference in assuming what someone else believes in and what color your sneaks are. I believe that to assume what someone else thinks is wrong. Clearly, that is different than knowing a fact based on something else.
So is it wrong for a judge to enter an innocent plea on the part of a defendent? Afterall, that's a belief. Is that wrong? We're going to find it isn't so cut and dry, and my distinction (morally neutral vs. charged) will further refine this.
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For example, I am a woman, therefore, you can assume I have breasts. That is a scientific fact. But, just b/c I am a woman, you can not assume that I wanted Geraldine Ferraro to be the first woman Vice President. This is assumption about what I believe and therefore wrong.
Wrong morally? Or simply incorrect? Or both? See, when I think of someone's voting patterns I cannot bring myself to deduce from that anything about the person's moral worth (with a few exceptions, I guess. Someone voting for someone who's sole aim in reaching office is to kill all (insert societal subset here).) So to me, ones physical appearance is no more and no less important in my formulation of a person's worth. That is to say, both are meaningless. Should that still offend you when you realize it was an observation and not a judgement? It wouldn't offend me (i.e. that sanity remark, when I learned there was no value judgement behind it, that's great. and everyone suffereing from a mental disease probably is happy to hear that too), and (saying this in as nice a way possible) it shouldn't offend you if I were to make such a conclusion (of course I think it's a stupid conclusion based on the facts, but hey, pretend I did). If someone were to make that conclusion who thinks everyone who votes for whatserface is an idiot, you should be offended (prepare to slap in 5...4....3...2...1...)! That is the distinction I'm making.
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10-18-2002 07:33 PM
<hug> <hug> <hug> <hug> Wait, there are only three people in this discussion. Who was in the fourth hug? Eh, oh well. I must admit at a few points I did get the feeling that either you or Toby was calling me prejudicial, the implication being I have a character flaw. I'm trying to show that my way of looking at things actually sits to the liberal side of the commonly accepted view of simply ignoring many traits in our society. Don't think I'm doing a very good job though. 
I know many Methodists who drink alcohol, never realizing it's against their Articles of Faith (or whatever they are called.)
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