Toby
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Originally posted by pixelator
This will be my last post on this thread.
*sigh* One can only hope.
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I hope you're all very proud of yourselves, several of you have behaved like absolute jerks.
Oh please. Pot...kettle...black.
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I have no other fancy descriptive to use - to blame someone for a broad-reaching failure because one of their selected programs MAY have caused an interruption in a file transfer is ludicrous.
This is simply bulldung. The fact that you are totally ignoring the very reality of it suggests that even you know it's bulldung, and yet you're still trying to pass all the blame onto something else. Is it possible that there might be something wrong with Handspring's software? Yep. There will never be much of any way to conclusively point to that, though, since you weren't using their hardware and software as it was designed.
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The least some of you vehement Visor owners could've done was to state your opinion and leave it at that.
Physician, heal thyself.
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No, you have to rub someone's nose in something when you know they're upset over a considerable loss of time and effort and data.
No, some people tried to rationally point out that you were possibly the cause of your own problem. You evidently cannot accept this, and decided to throw an apparent tantrum.
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You should learn something about how to interact with people,
The irony here is astounding...
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although that's not likely to come to pass since the majority of the more verbose among you probably don't venture forth into the outside world a whole lot...
LOL This is really a trite form of ad hominem. At least throw something more original than "Get a life" about if all you're going to do is throw a hissy.
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I disagree. If I pay $450 and then almost $100 for a Prism with a Flash module, I do not feel it reasonable to expect it to wipe the module AT ALL if a transfer is interrupted.
Hmmm...I've got a couple thousand dollars of computer here and if I have a CD burn that gets interrupted, my CD is toast.
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My issue with your comment is this: You're unqualified to quantify how much I like the Palm world at all.
Your issue is a straw man. If you're going to call Palm technology inferior to PocketPC technology, then you obviously like it less than PocketPC technology. I don't need to know the degree to which you like either.
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If I find one thing I prefer on PPC, it doesn't mean I like one or the other better.
Then why would you buy one and not the other?
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I like both and believe it or not, the Visor Prism does not encompass the entirety of the 'Palm world'.
No, it encompasses but a small portion of it. I didn't notice you saying that you were considering another Handspring or current Palm product, though.
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What begs more of a question is why you keep responding to this.
You responded to my post. It's called a conversation (or my trying to approach it as such, although you seem to prefer ranting).
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I wasn't inviting my choice to debate.
Which begs the question: "Then why did you post it here in the first place?"
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You don't have to keep saying the equivalent of "Don't let the door hit you on your way out."
You're reading more into my words than is there. What I'm saying is... You don't like the Handspring product. You're not looking for a possible fix since you've apparently already made up your mind to buy something else. That something else isn't a Visor of any flavor. It's too bad that your Visor didn't work out, but there's obviously nothing that anyone can do for you on that front. I wish you luck in finding another product which is more to your liking. Anything more that you're reading into that is your own imagination running wild.
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And by the way, your analysis of wether I "deserve sympathy and understanding" is borderline psychotic.
Thank you, Sigmund Freud. It's funny that you'd think that I have no basis to determine your level of "liking" Palms or PocketPCs from your statements here, and yet you think you can assess my mental health with far less personal information. Which issues of Psychology Today can I find which reference more of your work?
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You have obviously far too much emotionally invested in your Visor (and this discussion).
Yet another funny. I'm not the one getting emotional here. You're the one who felt the need to rant about the data in your Visor. My Visor could melt in my hand due to a catastrophic hardware failure, and I'd manage to carry on. You lost an 8mb module and you're ranting against all comers. Which one of us has too much emotional investment?
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WHY do you think I care?
Ummm...you posted here, Usenet, and who knows where else. You're obviously looking for feedback of some sort. With your psychological acumen, that should have been an easy one for you.
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Again, for the umpteenth time, I am not presenting this position for you (or anyone else's) approval.
Then exactly why are you presenting it? Why didn't you set up a webpage somewhere? I'm sure handsprings8mbmodulesucks.com is probably available.
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You seem to be taking it personally,
*sigh* No, you're projecting.
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like I'm rejecting your daughter or something.
LOL...and I'm the one taking this personally. heh
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Get over it. Because I don't want a Prism anymore doesn't make me fickle
You are correct. Just because you don't want a Prism anymore doesn't make you fickle. All of the handhelds that you've listed as having owned and the fact that you're already plotting two subsequent purchases makes you fickle. The word isn't necessarily insulting. It just describes a tendency to change one's preference often. If you're going through as many handhelds as you claim, then you're fickle. Sorry that it disturbs you so much. Maybe you should talk with one of your colleagues for some in-kind therapy.
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and it doesn't mean I am trying to make you 'cowtow' to same.
*sigh* Well, you're the one getting upset because you didn't receive the level of sympathy you apparently thought you deserved.
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Jeez man, you need help!
You're projecting some more.
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And you think I want to gain anything?
Evidently you do.
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I was sharing my experience and my resulting decision.
And you thought that this could help others which would increase your self-esteem that you had "helped".
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LOTS of people do this daily on this system.
Sure, and lots of people get all sorts of varied replies. For some reason, lots of people that rant like you were tend to get replies that they don't like. I'm sure you can figure out the reasons for that.
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A normal person would say "Hmm, too bad. I think it was (or was not) due to ____. Good luck!" And that's it.
This is simply not true.
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But no... You and a couple of others have to somehow belittle me and blame me for everything - and even cast personal stones. What the hell?
I cast no personal stones at you. I was just looking at your actions based on available information.
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And I never had my E-100 or E-115 do anything remotely like what happened with the Prism.
And others have. Peter even posted an example on Usenet, to my recollection. So what's your point?
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Of course, you avoided my point - which was the fact that the PPC's handle and use CF better than the Visors handle Flash.
Your point was fairly irrelevant since they're not the same animal.
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THEN SHUT UP and stop replying.
I thought that I was the one with emotional problems.
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I am, after this message.
We shall see.
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You can feel free to continue ranting, which I suspect you will do - - just that.
You're still projecting. I never started ranting.
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Obviously, BECAUSE I SAID IT MYSELF. I initially thought the hacks (of which only AB was active) were on the module. I was wrong. It has nothing to do with anything.
Well, it actually could have had quite a bit to do with it. It still tends to speak to the lack of attention to detail on your part.
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How the hell would you know, anyway? Are you a Handspring engineer?
No, but I've a bit of engineering knowledge, and the general principles are fairly universal. Anyone who produces a product at that level is going to have operating specs which parts suppliers have to comply with. Handspring doesn't make all their own components. Even if they did, there would have to be specs to give to the manufacturing machine operators.
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Overclocking is like many other applications that take over the system. It runs in the background. LOTS of things made for Visors and Palms "go beyond the bounds of the design."
No...only the hacks and other things which modify the way the OS or hardware operates. I do hope that you're not a programmer for 3DO if that's how you view system design.
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Wether it was a lightning bolt, a particularly gaseous fart or Afterburner, the FileMover and Flash module should be set up in such a way that a file transfer interruption won't automatically corrupt the module.
*sigh* I'm sure that it likely is set up in such a way that it won't automatically corrupt the module. There is likely no way to do it, so that it'll never corrupt the module. Those are two different things.
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As has been reported by others here and on Usenet, that's usually the outcome of such an event. THAT is what I am taking issue with. Naturally, you'll ignore that point.
Sorry, but I didn't ignore it.
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As I said before, I tempted fate by using the thing at all.
Quick! Run to the PocketPC world. You'll never tempt fate with their hardware.
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Again, I exceeded design specs by putting any software on it at all.
Ummm...no. If you're putting software which is looking for a specific different version of the OS? Maybe. But putting software is not exceeding the design specs. It's fulfilling the design specs if anything.
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Some games tax the system quite a bit. 16-bit color itself is beyond the original Palm architecture...
But not beyond the design specs of the OS and hardware which the Prism uses.
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As is color in general (which is why color Palms run so slowly). Your logic holds no water.
You don't even seem to know what logic is.
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If it wasn't designed to do it, why does it do it? "What the machine was designed to do" is entirely relative and makes about as much sense as blaming users for ANY problem because they did ANYTHING with it.
This speaks to a lack of knowledge of what design or engineer means. We'll use a car example. The tires are my truck are designed and engineered to (among other specs) last ~80,000 miles, displace a certain amount of water on the road per revolution, and maintain integrity to at least 118 mph. As long as I'm operating within those specs, I should be fine. Let's say that I live in a place with long, straight, flat stretches of road and decide to drive at 125 mph on occasion, though. I'm exceeding the design specs of my tires. They might not blow up if I do this once, twice, or even twenty times. OTOH, if they do blow up, it's my fault that they did. This would also apply to driving on a road with more water than could be displaced, or driving beyond the 80,000 mile life of the tires.
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No. It was my fault in your opinion - not in mine. If you took off your Visor colored glasses for a second and looked at my actual point, you might see my side of the argument. But no, you're too busy calling me names and pointing the finger. Sort of like standing and laughing at someone when they trip and fall on the sidewalk saying "You idiot, you should've looked where you were going."
No...more like saying: "Wow...that must've hurt. Perhaps you should be more careful where you're walking. It looks like you weren't paying attention to the sidewalk." Of course, you obviously don't want to hear that. You want me to help you complain about the city, state, and federal government that should be keeping all sidewalks pristine so that no one should ever trip on a sidewalk again.
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And just what are the "factory specs" for running software? Because that's what we're discussing. Software controlling hardware.
The factory specs would be software which complies with the PalmOS 3.0, 3.1, or 3.5 APIs (depending on Visor model) and the proprietary API extensions which Handspring provides.
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No, you're the one stamping their feet
Sorry, but I'm not stamping my feet.
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blaming me for my loss of data while performing a perfectly routine and oft-repeated data transfer.
On a system which was running beyond its design. As I've said repeatedly, it may not happen the first, second, or even twentieth time, but you were living on borrowed time.
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That's fine, I couldn't care less at this point.
Great...then we're finally in agreement on something.
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And what specs, again, were those?
The ones which you're obviously ignorant of.
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Is there a "You can't run this or that" spec sheet on Prisms?
http://www.handspring.com/support/prism_faqs.jhtml#q12 explains it simply enough.
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No.
Well, actually, Yes. See above.
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Where do you draw the line? Only overclockers? What about games that make harware calls? Video players?
As stated in that link..."Applications that do not follow Palm's Application Program Interface (API) standards also may experience issues." Basically anything which doesn't comply with the 3.5.2H APIs (in the case of the Prism).
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You really don't have the foggiest notion what you're talking about...
How ironic.
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Too busy claiming that any painting outside the lines is grounds for data loss and total blame. LOL...
No, I didn't say total blame, but certainly not blameless.
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And I say the unit is designed to function outside those bounds.
You can say that...but you'd be wrong.
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What happened when Visors went from 16MHz to 33MHz?
The hardware and OS were redesigned to take that into account (at least the relevant bits).
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Is the DragonballVZ itself running 'outside the bounds' of the module's design?
Interesting possibility.
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FileMover? Ridiculous. Processor speed is not the issue here.
But bus speed may very well be, since the bus speed is tied into the equation.
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At the onset, I had no attitude except that directed towards my data loss.
Your post was fairly dripping with it. I'm obviously not the only one who noticed it. My replies were actually less inflammatory than the one's accusing you of *****ing and whining. Too bad you didn't notice that.
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You effectively interjected a personal attack theme and fingerpointing session. Congratulations.
You have a rather weird view of personal attacks. Maybe you should look up paranoia in your DSM-IV.
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Have fun with your Visor. I hope it returns a fraction of the foaming-mouth devotion you have shown it here today...
It hasn't caused any problems yet (except for that bad DRAM issue caused by another OEM which Handspring rectified).
[Edited by Toby on 02-12-2001 at 04:37 PM]
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