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VancouverCanuck
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Let me get this straight: You can have this wonderful slim Handspring product, but in that state it's essentially not much different from a Palm Vx. To use a Springboard on this little marvel, you'll have to use the Springboard sleeve--one more thing to carry around and keep track of. To me that effectively negates the smaller form factor. (Not to mention an extra US $150. For a Canadian, that's a whole year's salary!)

OTOH, if I win the Edge, say, through Handspring's contest, I'll accept it gratefully

Just my two cents.

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quote:
Originally posted by VancouverCanuck
Let me get this straight: You can have this wonderful slim Handspring product, but in that state it's essentially not much different from a Palm Vx. To use a Springboard on this little marvel, you'll have to use the Springboard sleeve--one more thing to carry around and keep track of. To me that effectively negates the smaller form factor.


That depends on your usage pattern. I have a backup module and a modem, neither of which I use 95% of the time on any given day. Since I leave those modules at home, I'd rather have a Visor that's smaller, lighter and easier to carry. And don't forget that even with a Springboard and connector attached, the Edge is still smaller than other Visors with Springboards.

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Not to mention an extra US $150.


Is that an assumption, or have you actually come across any information about the Edge Connector (Snap). I can't tell whether it's sold seperately or not. Of course, while I'd like to believe it's bundled, I highly doubt it. But I don't think it'll go for anywhere near $150. But you raise a good point: who much does the connector raise the total cost of ownership? That, and whether current Visor accessories can be used, are the most important questions that need answering before I commit to parting with four C-notes.

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The connector does come bundled with the Edge. I think the point was that the Edge is $150 costlier than a VDx.

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quote:
Originally posted by Warkari
The connector does come bundled with the Edge. I think the point was that the Edge is $150 costlier than a VDx.

Warkari



You can also buy a second SpringBoard connector for $19.95 (why have more that one?)

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And don't forget that even with a Springboard and connector attached, the Edge is still smaller than other Visors with Springboards.



Are you sure about that? I saw a picture of the SB connector attached to the Edge on Handspring and it looks like it more than doubles the thickness. Since the Edge is .44" thick that will make it a hefty .88" at least. That concerns me. Have you seen or heard something different?

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The connector does come bundled with the Edge. I think the point was that the Edge is $150 costlier than a VDx.

Warkari



Precisely.

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I agree 100%!

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Are you sure about that? I saw a picture of the SB connector attached to the Edge on Handspring and it looks like it more than doubles the thickness. Since the Edge is .44" thick that will make it a hefty .88" at least. That concerns me. Have you seen or heard something different?


"Smaller" in relation to the height, not the thickness.

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Handspring sucks?

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Originally posted by VancouverCanuck
Let me get this straight: You can have this wonderful slim Handspring product, but in that state it's essentially not much different from a Palm Vx. To use a Springboard on this little marvel, you'll have to use the Springboard sleeve--one more thing to carry around and keep track of. To me that effectively negates the smaller form factor. (Not to mention an extra US $150. For a Canadian, that's a whole year's salary!)
On top of this, you get a device with
  • OS3.5 when OS4.0 is imminent
  • incompatibility with current serial/USB attachments such as the Stowaway
  • lack of upgradability
  • loss of form factor with certain SB modules
Somebody please give me a reason to sing Handsprings praises right now...

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quote:
Originally posted by Newboy


Are you sure about that? I saw a picture of the SB connector attached to the Edge on Handspring and it looks like it more than doubles the thickness. Since the Edge is .44" thick that will make it a hefty .88" at least.



From the initial pictures at PDABuzz/Palminfocenter, I thought the same thing. However, if you look closely at Marcus' picture here http://www.visorcentral.com/images/...ook/sbthick.jpg, you can see that maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of the backpack's width overlaps with the edge (it's used to slide onto the 'slot' Marcus mentioned between the plastic side and the metal back plate). To me, it looks like the combined width is maybe between .74" and .78" (compared to .70" for VDX). Of course, even if it's not much thicker than the VDX with the backpack, it may still feel weird to hold it if the thickness changes from top to bottom (I'll have to go play with one when they are out in stores to find out). Also, oversized modules in the backpack look truly ridiculous http://www.visorcentral.com/images/...look/triple.jpg

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quote:
Originally posted by Rob

Of course, even if it's not much thicker than the VDX with the backpack, it may still feel weird to hold it if the thickness changes from top to bottom (I'll have to go play with one when they are out in stores to find out). Also, oversized modules in the backpack look truly ridiculous



Rob - I agree with you on this and want to hold one in my hand with an SB attached before I would consider buying one. I still use a DLX and carry it in my shirt pocket so I really like the form factor of the Edge, but I don't think I can keep an SB inserted in it all of the time like I do with My-Vox now. I hate trade-offs. Still no perfect PDA yet. Thanks for the picture links.

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From the initial pictures at PDABuzz/Palminfocenter, I thought the same thing. However, if you look closely at Marcus' picture here http://www.visorcentral.com/images/...ook/sbthick.jpg, you can see that maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of the backpack's width overlaps with the edge (it's used to slide onto the 'slot' Marcus mentioned between the plastic side and the metal back plate). To me, it looks like the combined width is maybe between .74" and .78" (compared to .70" for VDX). Of course, even if it's not much thicker than the VDX with the backpack, it may still feel weird to hold it if the thickness changes from top to bottom (I'll have to go play with one when they are out in stores to find out). Also, oversized modules in the backpack look truly ridiculous http://www.visorcentral.com/images/...look/triple.jpg



It looks wierd but the feeling is right. I have tried holding the edge and the visorphone together and it feels alot more comfortable and natural to hold than the VisorPhone combination with the other Visors. Of course like everything else, this would be subjective.

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Re: Handspring sucks?

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Originally posted by IanP
On top of this, you get a device with
  • OS3.5 when OS4.0 is imminent
  • incompatibility with current serial/USB attachments such as the Stowaway
  • lack of upgradability
  • loss of form factor with certain SB modules
Somebody please give me a reason to sing Handsprings praises right now...

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Well you have a Visor Platinum with a stowaway what are you complaining about? You do not have to get the edge if does not fit your needs. The improvements are called progress. the Visor like all computer devices will evolve. I would agree with you if Handspring had discontinued the Visor or Visor deluxe line, but it has not...yet.

Despite your lack of praises, the Edge will sell like hot cakes. I can bet on that.

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quote:
Originally posted by Yardie
Well you have a Visor Platinum with a stowaway what are you complaining about? You do not have to get the edge if does not fit your needs. The improvements are called progress. the Visor like all computer devices will evolve. I would agree with you if Handspring had discontinued the Visor or Visor deluxe line, but it has not...yet.

Despite your lack of praises, the Edge will sell like hot cakes. I can bet on that.

I don't resist progress and don't deny that the Edge won't sell. In fact if I was a new individual user I'd be in there like a shot. However...

Handspring is treading on dangerous ground right now. The Visor's success has been built on its loyal user base. IMHO I fear this is being undermined by direction of this new product line. As it stands the Edge is a great product. In the history of Handspring, the context of the current PDA industry and considering future progress, some serious issues are raised.

Handspring promised an expandable palm-os-driven pda and lauded its springboard technology. The VDX appeared to give us that, despite the springboards being intially slow to appear. Then following the launch of the VPL it was proved that Handspring had no intention of providing anything but patch OS upgrades to its devices. Now with the introduction of the Edge, Handspring introduced a revision to they self imposed standards (ie the 10 pin USB/Serial connector and the Springport that assures developers are creating directly attachable springports rather than utilising the detachable adapter). The success of the 'new standards' could potentially signal the death of the existing standards barely months after they have begun to get widely recognised and established.

Yes I agree, they haven't killed off the VDX. It has been seriously wounded, crippled by an old OS that is becoming less and less supported by "3.5-and-above-only" software/springboards. Recent purchasers would have been aware that this was the case - the lack of Flash Rom issues are well documented. However, by taking the decision not to offer the latest desktop software to users of all devices they seem to be saying we don't care!

Handspring has launched a great product to increase its current market share plus squeezing a few $'s out of the early-adopters amongst us. But wait one moment and consider this. With the impending launch of a new Palm device rumoured to offer the benefits of palm os 4.0 along with expandability similar to the springport what do you see as Handsprings next move? If the rumours of the 505 are true, in the name of progress Handspring will have to counter with an equally positioned product. In doing so they immediately endanger the whole edge/plat/prism product range.

You ask why, as a VPL/Stowaway owner, I'm bothered about this. Well, firstly as an individual I'm not. my set-up suits my needs and I'm happy, in fact i love it and sing its praises to anyone that will listen. I've ditched the laptop, almost made my home pc redundant and wow collegues with the gadgetry of PalmVNC.

Secondly, having planned to expand my springport range to include the eyemodule2 and more to boot, I am devastated. I'd seen my VPL investment as expendable (I'm a gadget freak who wants the best) but my range of springboards/attachments/Software as living with me through progressive devices. Handspring have put the holds on this.

Finally as a systems manager looking to deploy pda's to mobile employees I stand at a crossroads. Having already fought and won the PocketPC Vs Palm argument I thought the VPL/Prism was my only dilemma. I now find myself not only looking at Handspring but once again having to consider other palm-os devices.

This isn't intended as a rant, nor a flame inducing post. Having clarified my earlier post I hope you now see that my comments weren't derisory simply borne out the internal dilemma Handspring dealt me given points 1,2 and 3 above.

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Ok, now that I've seen the pictures and read the specs, a few more comments:

1) You can either have the flip cover or the springboard adapter, but not both. How is one supposed to protect the screen and use their 8Mb springboard?

2) The slots on the side are going to be used for both cases, the springboard expansion module, and direct connect modules. How can a person have, say, an 8 Mb module attached at the same time as a case?

3) The good news is that there may be an SD adapter for this, so that Visor owners can use all those cool new modules coming for the M505. Oh wait, that'll probably require PalmOS 4.0....

Jeff & Co had probably better think about hiring designers and product development people, or at least replacing the one's they have, before they really start losing market share.

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Re: Re: Handspring sucks?

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Well you have a Visor Platinum with a stowaway what are you complaining about? You do not have to get the edge if does not fit your needs. The improvements are called progress. the Visor like all computer devices will evolve.
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I see very little progress here without Handspring matching the OS that I can get out of the Palm M505 system.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by yardie

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Despite your lack of praises, the Edge will sell like hot cakes. I can bet on that.
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I'm not sure about this either... If I had a choice of buying a new Palm device, why would I knowingly by a device with the upgrade issues that Handspring has? I would rather wait for the next Palm release.

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