bkbk
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This goes way, way, way beyond "deceptive advertising," I believe to the level of fraud, and I think meriting a Class Action Suit.
Really?! And just how exactly were you "damaged" by this "deceptive advertising"? Did your company go out of business because your product couldn't compete with the phantom six-pak? Did you sell one of your internal organs to raise money to buy one on the promise that it would be available soon?
First of all, you of all people needn't have responded to my "charges" against Innogear. I believe we all know by now what a great huge heart you have shown in your project to help the Visor community, without lusting after exhorbitant profit, and are known to be an eminently reasonable man.
Indeed, in order for me to rebut virtually any of the ideas you presented in your post, it is necessary for me to extrapolate into the world "as it should be," as you are quite correct in virtualy all of your assumptions "as it currently is." (I can also see that it may take more time and words than I have the time for right now, so I may have to cut this short.)
But we, as human beings, sort of have a "philosophical duty" (this is largely well-settled among the preeminent thinkers of this earth, if you check the world's literature on the subject) to continually improve our lot, this earth, and the human race. (It is essentially the simple answer (shades of the Palm OS!) to the question: WHY IS MAN HERE? To continually strive for improvement, making things more "as they should be." Like wiping out world poverty, for ex.)
And you, as a human being, are essentially diametrically opposite of Innogear "as a human being." (So it is, in fact, pretty preposterous that you've come to their defense. Though I can see where you may have confused: "They're developers," for "They're developers, just like me." They are NOT "just like you." THAT is their PROBLEM.)
Indeed, it's a shade unseemly for me to have to say, but most of the Palm developers seem to share your kind of "developer ethic" - and I'd cite this for at least 90% of the success of the Palm platform.
On the other hand, Innogear (and a lot of the SB developers) seems to share, for lack of a better quick handle, something we might label: "The Microsoft ethic" - and a big reason it's been so hard for them to make headway against the Palm OS, developers and community.
Another GREAT and CRUCIAL difference is the WAY you present yourself to the world with nothing but persistent careful clear steady communication - once more, STARK contrast with Innogear. They put up a "corporate-looking" website AS IF THEY SHOULD BE TRUSTED LIKE IBM. I'm fairly certain you were careful NOT TO, because (even subconsciously) you KNOW that to do so about the product you're presently working on (in Beta, I believe, right?) would then have been DECEPTIVELY presented. IBM EXPECTS to take a blood bath if they defraud their consumers, even mistakenly. Innogear, by presenting themselves as they have, should expect no less - and start paying lawyers, just like IBM (or HP, or AOL) would have to do.
So ... have I tipped my hat enough that I'm one of the philosophers in the group, or need I actually state it (consider it done, right)?
When I refer to Innogear "as a human being," I refer to a model of looking at reality that should be routine - but is not, simply because it "seems suprising at first blush." And, unfortunately, most people never seem to think with any more depth than what they perceive "at first blush."
Larger entities, like corporations and "Evil Empire's" (like Darth's - uh, I mean, the old USSR) FUNCTION NO DIFFERENTLY IN THEIR SICKNESS THAN MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE.
It basically comes down to a matter of LIES. (Synchronistically, last night there was a PBS documentary on Hitler's Germany and the astounding lies, self-deception and denial they told themselves, their people, and tried to project onto the world - all ABSOLUTELY INDEFENSIBLE "historical re-writings" about their "destiny as the Master Race," etc.)
Mental health is: "Ongoing dedication to reality at all costs." Hence, it's opposite, is madness. (Being "on drugs" is a simple proof of this.) Truth is sanity. Lies are insanity.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO LEEWAY in the foregoing. And it REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE. It was ALWAYS thus, and ALWAYS will be thus. Think it through yourself.
Of course, there is a continuum, with extremes at either end. I'm not saying Innogear is the Third Reich. But they, we, and everyone should worry about their misguided, malevolent tactics, and our and our laws' (both "social law" and "book law") "tolerance" of them.
AND CERTAINLY HS should be very, very concerned about Innogear. They have seriously tainted HS, the entire notion of the SB, and the MARKETABLE GOODWILL that HS has worked so hard to attain (esp. shortly after their initial launch).
HS SHOULD CERTAINLY SUE INNOGEAR FOR THEIR PERSISTENT FAILURE TO EXERCISE THE SIMPLE (darn! that word again!) "TRUTH IN ADVERTISING" we all expect, legally, when doing business w/companies in the U.S.
Do not utter "Caveat Emptor" in the DEAD LANGUAGE OF LATIN. That DEAD phrase was for a DEAD time, and not for corrupt laws, lawyers and court systems to abnegate their responsibilities by uttering.
THE WORLD HAS BEEN TOO COMPLEX FOR THE "BUYER TO BEWARE" OF ALL THE LIES, DECEPTIONS, PSYCHOS AND FRAUDS THAT PERSISTENTLY COME DOWN THE PIKE (a news report the other day noted that 30% OF THE U.S. CAN BE DEFINED AS MENTALLY ILL) FOR MANY, MANY YEARS NOW.
It is the JOB of the laws, lawyers and court systems to BEWARE ON OUR BEHALF. Hence they are either: 1) too STUPID or 2) too EVIL to know this. (There are no other choices.)
Personally, there is NO CHANCE I would have went with HS over Palm, absent the "SixPack" lie. And I trust others were similarly duped. (And it is NEVER the fault of the "consumer / duped," but ALWAYS the fault of the "seller / dupee" - whether or not the courts are too lazy to admit it and get off their butts and protect our rights, for which they are paid. BY THAT ARGUMENT, EVIL IDIOTS LIKE TV'S "JUDGE MATHIS," WHO LIKE TO "MAKE FUN" OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN DECEIVED ... I GUESS WOULD SUPPORT THE "CONNING" OR OTHER ABUSE(S) ANYONE MIGHT INFLICT UPON A RETARDED PERSON. Oh, wait: "Caveat Emptor!" Get Out Of Jail, Free! Olly, olly outs-in-free! Not on me! Not my responsibility!)
Are Innogear's tactics already at the level they need to be taken down (and maybe HS with them? or maybe by HS itself?) by a Class Action suit? We'll have to see.
I see no reason the "SixPack" idea can't be undertaken by any number of other HONEST vendors.
Before I sign off, you should know I had plenty, plenty more to write (just to note, not to dissuade anyone from rebutting or exercising their freedom of speech / expression), but I'm irksomely aware that people "don't like" long posts, regardless of what they have to say (since it's such a burden to scroll past them, isn't it?), so maybe I'll address this more in the future. But I'll probably end up writing a book about it anyway.
[Edited by bkbk on 11-29-2000 at 11:34 AM]
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Did you even have to wait? Your attitude seems too carefree. From your 'date registered', I would think that you have no idea about any of the delays people here have gone through. I'm sure you could be nothing more than enthusiastic if you just bought your visor 2 weeks ago. Then discovered that a MP3 Springboard was already on the market. For the rest of us, we have had to sit through endless lies from Innogear.
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