ertonbel
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Originally posted by Pathdoc
Ertonbel is correct about one thing he stated in an earlier post, NY can involuntarily hold someone without a court proceeding for longer than 72 hours (they can hold someone for 60 days). They are required to have a court hearing within 5 days of a request by the individual being held. Ertonbel, if you requested it and they didn't do it, then you have grounds to go after them.
Interestingly, NY also requires statements from two physicians to get an involuntary commitment.
Here is a link to the appropriate statute.
Thanks for the ref., "brief" as it is.
It's nice to see a serious post in the avalance of levity that seems to have developed after the proof is in. (Btw, TK, there were 6 photos [explained on p.2 of this thread, I believe, for the person who asked] ... what happened to the others? They will no doubt lend even greater weight. I could post the video [or just its audio, which is frightening enough to hear], but it's 10Mb ... and that's only the "core footage" of the incident. All of it would probably be over 1Gb [the orig. is camcorder tape, of course]. REGARDING REAL PROOF, HOWEVER, this is largely where it stops ... once I was kidnapped and "desigated" a "patient" [so they could w/"good conscience," if not legally ... DRUG ME, as they did all the other unfortunate recent immigrants who didn't know they had a right to refuse "their medication"], there is no more REAL PROOF to be had ... just the written-down lies, fabricated documents, fake "case histories," etc. ... all saying WHATEVER THE HOSP. & STAFF NEED TO SAY TO COVER THEIR ASSESS LEGALLY. NOT ACTING LIKE GOOD, DECENT PEOPLE, BUT PRETENDING TO, AND WRITING IT DOWN THAT WAY. Anything any of my friends or relatives "witnessed" [only 2 at a time are "allowed," I suppose due to their fear of breakouts ... or is it substantiated testimony?].)
It's a real can of worms: I (and ALL the others) was denied my right to counsel OR ANY DUE PROCESS FOR DAYS. (This, my atty. said, was illegal ... AND IT'S ON ME TO FIGHT THE GARGANTUAN SYSTEM FOR THIS WHICH BY LAW THEY ARE COMMANDED TO DO? HOW IS THAT RIGHT?)
Circa 5 days after I was already a kidnap victim (and chidishly AFRAID OF THESE PSYCHOTICS, who "THOUGHT" I "SHOULDN'T BE," as that would only PROVE the imaginary PARANOIA they "THOUGHT" I "MIGHT" have had BEFORE they KIDNAPPED me ... paging ... Dr. Lewis G. Carroll ... paging ... Dr. Lewis G. Carroll ... paging ... Dr. Lewis G. Carroll ...) I finally got to meet the 1 atty. NYS "graciously" provided me & 24 other INNOCENT, UNCONVICTED, NON-VIOLENT PERSONS. (I would have been the FIRST to COMPLAIN UNTIL I MADE ALL STAFF PERSONNEL VOMIT if I were continuously exposed to seriously violent persons. NONE OF US WAS. NONE OF US BELONGED THERE. THIS IS A LAB-RAT COLONY, AND THESE 25 HUMAN BEINGS WERE REGARDED AS EXPERIMENTAL DRUG-ANIMALS. NOT ONE OF THEM NEEDED TO HAVE THEIR LIBERTY TAKEN FROM THEM FOR 50 SECONDS, FORGET ABOUT 50 DAYS.)
I HAD TO SEEK OUT THIS ATTY. THE STAFF NEVER HINTED AT HIS EXISTENCE. I HAD TO RELY ON THE "RUMOR" FROM THE OTHER "PATIENT-PRISONERS."
HE'S A DESPICABLE, UNCTUOUS WEASEL OF A MAN, WHO COULD EASILY PASS FOR MENTALLY ILL HIMSELF. DISHEVELED, MORBIDLY OBESE, OILY WITH SLICK HAIR, HE IS NO ONE'S "ROLE MODEL" IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. HIS UNDERSTANDING OF SOCIAL NUANCE IS NIL. HE OFTEN INADVERTENTLY MAKES HIS "CLIENTS" LOOK BAD "IN FRONT OF THE DOCTORS" BY BANGING HIS HAND ON A DESK AND SAYING: "LISTEN! LISTEN TO ME!"
BEHAVIOR LIKE THIS IS WHAT MANY OF US WERE SUPPOSEDLY LOCKED UP FOR, AS ORDINARY AS IT IS ON "THE OUTSIDE."
STILL, HE CAN DO IT, B/C HE'S "PRIVILEGED." (YET ANOTHER PSYCHOTIC "TENET" UNDER THE LAW ... TO PROTECT SUCH WEASELS. IF I HAD 1/100TH THE THINGS HE SAID TO ME ON VIDEOTAPE, FORGET ABOUT JUST LOSING HIS LAW LICENSE, HE'D BE CHASED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. IGNORANTLY, HE PERSISTENTLY ATTEMPTS TO "PIGEON-HOLE" YOU, ACCORDING TO YOUR "BACKGROUND," JOB, FAMILY, HISTORY, ETC. ... EVERYTHING BUT RACE OR SEX, BUT ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE SUCH BLATANTLY ILLEGAL FORMS OF DEROGATION. HE CLEARLY THINKS THE OTHERS ARE FINE. I HAD TO SET HIM STRAIGHT ON THE FACT THAT ALL OF THE "PATIENTS" WERE HUMAN BEINGS, THE GREAT MAJORITY OF WHOM DID NOT BELONG THERE.
I COULD SEE I WAS MAKING HIM SICK WITH MY PIETY (HE IMAGINES HIMSELF A *VERY* RELIGIOUS MAN, BUT THERE IS NO GOD IN THIS UNIVERSE WHO WOULD HAVE SUCH A DESPICABLE DEGENERATE), AND THAT HE WAS WAITING FOR ME TO JUST UNDERSTAND THE MAJOR COMMANDMENT HE WAS WORSHIPING: "THIS IS MY JOB, NOTHING MORE."
HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT TO ME ONCE.
THIS SICKO CUT A DEVIL'S BARGAIN WITH ME:
WE COULD "GO TO TRIAL" (IT'S NOT A REAL TRIAL IN A REAL COURT ... BUT A *GENUINE* KANGAROO COURT IN A *GENUINE* MENTAL INSTITUTION -- CREEDMOOR -- THAT IS MASSIVELY "FAMOUS" IN NYC AS A HOUSE OF LUNATICS ... SMEARING AND STIGMATIZING YOU BEYOND BELIEF FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, SHOULD ANYONE EVER FIND OUT THAT YOU WERE *EVER* THERE, FOR *ANY* REASON, AND *EVEN FOR A SECOND*) IN "AS LITTLE AS TWO WEEKS" ...
... MEANWHILE, I'M THINKING: "WHAT KIND OF INSANE, PSYCHOTIC DEGENERATE HAS 'THIS GREAT CITY, STATE & COUNTRY' PROVIDED ME, AS MY *ONLY* SALVATION (IT'S AXIOMATIC THAT MONOPOLIES ARE EVIL ... AND LIKELY NONE MORE THAN WHEN YOUR DESTINY IS THRUST INTO THE HANDS OF A STRANGER YOU'D "BETTER LIKE" ... OR ELSE), WHO THINKS THAT TWO WEEKS OF ILLEGAL IMPRISONMENT CAN BE CHARACTERIZED AS *ONLY*?
AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE OTHER INSANE, PSYCHOTIC DEGENERATES IN THE SYSTEM ALSO "FAILED TO SEE WHY I WAS SO FRUSTRATED WITH THAT." (WHISPER, WHISPER ... "IT'S JUST ANOTHER MANIFESTATION OF HIS MENTAL ILLNESS, DON'T YOU THINK?")
OR ... WE COULD GO FOR THE BIG BOX ON THE DISPLAY FLOOR.
WHAT WAS IN THE DISPLAY BOX?
AN "INDEPENDENT EVALUATOR."
THIS GUY, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THE MANY DECADES IN MY LIFE, WOULD SEE THAT I WAS NOT MENTALLY ILL, STATE AS MUCH ... AND NOT ONLY WOULD I BE FREE ... THEY COULD NEVER "COME AFTER ME ABOUT IT" AGAIN.
WOW, THAT SOUNDED APPETIZING.
WHAT WAS "THE CATCH," I WONDERED, BEING A SAVVY NY'ER, AND KNOWING THERE LIKELY HAD TO BE ONE.
THE "INDEPENDENT EVALUATOR" WOULDN'T BE "AVAILABLE" (HE'S AN IMPORTANT, BUSY MAN, WITH A LIFE ... AND YOU, YOU LITTLE PIECE OF *GARBAGE* ARE NOT ... AS DECIDED WITH NO HEARING, TRIAL OR EVIDENCE, BY THE CITY, STATE & COUNTRY) ... FOR *WEEKS AND WEEKS.*
THE WEASEL LIED TO ME ON A NUMBER OF COUNTS:
(I know I'm running long, and am trying to be concise, yet not leave out anything important.)
The I.E. ... really ISN'T. HE DOES THIS FOR A LIVING. HE'S KNOWN & WORKED W/MY ATTY. FOR A DECADE AND A HALF. IT'S ALL JUST A SET-UP, REALLY.
BUT, YOU KNOW ME...
VIDEO.
I WAS TOLD I COULD REQUEST THAT THE "EVALUATION" (WHICH WAS NOTHING MORE THAN ABOUT 10 MIN. OF "20 QUESTIONS" LIKE: "WHERE WERE YOU BORN?" "HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU HAVE IN THE BANK?" ETC. A SHAM EVALUATION, IN OTHER WORDS) BE *VIDEOTAPED.*
BUT MY EVIL WEASEL ATTY., THE ONLY ONE PROVIDED TO ME AND WHOSE ASS I HAD BETTER KISS, SAID HE WOULD REMOVE HIMSELF FROM MY CASE (A THREAT HE MADE CONSTANTLY, BTW ... LIKE WHEN I DEMANDED TO SUBPOENA EVERYONE I EVER KNEW IN MY LIFE, IN COLLEGE, AT WORK, ETC. TO COME TO MY DEFENSE [HE SAID SUBPOENAS FORCING PEOPLE TO COME IN TICK THOSE PEOPLE OFF ... AND THEY'LL THEN TESTIFY *AGAINST* YOU FOR SPITE, NOT HELP YOU]; TO HAVE A JURY TRIAL [HE SAID "JURIES HATE MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE" -- EVEN IF I WASN'T ONE, THEY'D BURY ME]) IF I INSISTED ON VIDEOTAPING THE SESSION.
HE WAS PROTECTING HIS FRIEND.
THIS GENIUS "I.E." *COULD HARDLY UNDERSTAND ENGLISH* AND OFTEN MISSED THE POINT OF MY ANSWERS. (DO I STRIKE YOU AS SOMEONE WHO HAS DIFFICULTY W/THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE?) I COULD BARELY MAKE OUT WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY MUCH OF THE TIME. IT WAS THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND.
IF I GOT HIM ON VIDEOTAPE, HE'D HAVE GONE FROM ONE OF OUR EVIL COUNTRY'S (IT MUST BE, TO SUPPORT THIS, EVEN IN IGNORANCE ... ALLOWING OUR SYSTEM TO BE SO FOULED UP TO GET INTO THIS CONDITION) "MOST EMININTLY QUALIFIED PSYCHIATRISTS" (MY ATTY. KEPT SAYING THIS, AS IF I WOULD BE STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE IT IF HE KEPT REPATING IT ENOUGH) TO BEING KICKED OUT OF THE FIELD AND ON THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE, PERHAPS FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
So, as Dirty Harry said: "A man's got to ask himself a question: Do I feel lucky?" Do I follow the weasel's advice? IRONICALLY, OF COURSE, IF ONE WERE MENTALLY ILL, HOW IS ONE TO BE EXPECTED TO DISCERN WHETHER OR NOT THE WEASEL IS GIVING HIM GOOD ADVICE OR NOT? (One more note for the case of 24/7 video protecting our citizens under all circumstances, esp. those of peril.)
Many, many others, not in my precise circumstances (save they were innocent, and not dangerous either ... a 5 year-old child would have the POWER TO DISCERN THIS in a matter of HOURS, not 60 GODDAMN DAYS) were also held for unconscionable amounts of time. A HARMLESS JEHOVA'S WITNESS WHO WAS A SENISBLE LOGICAL GUY I GOT TO KNOW OVER WEEKS AND WEEKS AND MANY BIBLE-STUDY CLASSES WAS HELD THERE FOR 60 DAYS (AND *CONTINUES* TO BE AN "OUT-PATIENT" ... B/C THEY *NEVER* WANT TO *GIVE YOU UP* AS A *SOURCE OF CONTINUING INCOME* -- THE *REAL MOTIVE* OF THEIR "CARE") B/C HE "MENTIONED GOD ... TOO MUCH, Y'KNOW?"
THESE ARE THE "BRILLIANT SHRINKS" WHO HAVE THE POWER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIFE YOUR LIFE AS A FREE MAN OR WOMAN ... OR WILL BE DRUGGED *IMMEDIATELY* UPON MEETING THEM.
FINALLY, I WAS PLAYING *BEAT THE CLOCK.*
THE STAFF (ESP. THE "2 PHYSICIANS" -- THAT'S *QUACKS* TO YOU AND ME) FINALLY GOT *SO SICK* OF MY *THERE'S NOTHING WRONG W/ME, AND WHAT AM I STILL DOING HERE?* ROUTINE (ESP. WHEN THE *OTHER PATIENT-PRISONERS* STARTED ASKING IT ON MY BEHALF WHEN MEETING W/THE STAFF WHILE I WAS NOT EVEN PRESENT) THAT THEY SOUGHT A COURT ORDER TO "FORCE-MEDICATE" ME ... WHICH IS THEIR "EUPHEMISM" (SINCE THEY'RE BRILLIANT, SOPHISTICATED M.D.S WHO DON'T USE GUTTER LANGUAGE LIKE "NEEDLES" OR "INJECTIONS" -- THOUGH THAT'S FULL WELL WHAT THEY INTEND) FOR TURNING ME INTO A PIN-CUSHION.
SINCE I REFUSED "MEDICATION" FROM THE 1ST MOMENT I WAS THERE (OTHERS TOOK IT ORALLY), I WOULD BE SPECIALLY SINGLED OUT IN A SUPREME COURT APPLICATION (A HORRIFYING DOCUMENT I STILL HAVE A COPY OF -- I SHOULD REALLY POST PERTINENT PARTS OF IT SO YOU CAN TRULY SEE THE ASTONISHING MALEVOLENCE OF THE "GENIUS M.D.'S WHO'VE TAKEN THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH THAT GUIDE OUR SOCIETY LIKE SHINING BEACONS OF LIGHT" FOR WHAT THE F*CK THEY REALLY ARE) TO TAKE 8 NEEDLES PER DAY OF INJECTIONS.
IF I DIDN'T "WIN" IN COURT (MY NAME AND REPUTATION WERE TORN TO SHREDS BY "OUR FRIEND" THE I.E. ... WHO GOT WIND THAT I'M NOT EXACTLY THE FORGIVING TYPE [HE SAID, JUST HAVING SUBMITTED 10 LAWSUITS (JUST THE BEGINNING, I PROMISE YOU) TO FEDERAL COURT (THE SMALLEST SUM IN ANY ONE OF THE CASES I REQUEST OF THE COURT IS ONE BILLION DOLLARS)], AND KNEW I WOULD PROBABLY COME AFTER HIM AND ALL OF HIS "M.D. FRIENDS" SINCE MY "MENTAL ILLNESS PREVENTED ME FROM APPRECIATING THAT THE SYSTEM WAS NOW WORKING AND I WAS GOING TO BE A FREE MAN NOW AFTER 50 DAYS OF LIVING HELL ... SHOULDN'T I JUST THANK GOD ... OR HIM ... OR GOD ... OR ...? IF HE DID A HATCHET JOB ON ME, THE OPPOSING COUNSEL [NOT KNOWING A GODDAMN THING ABOUT ME] SLICED ME AND DICED ME EVEN MORE; BUT SINCE IT WAS AGREED THAT I WAS NEITHER A DANGER TO MYSELF NOR ANYONE ELSE, NONE OF THEIR OTHER THEATRICAL BULLS*** MATTERED, AND I WAS FREE TO GO AND FIX UP THE LIFE THEY TORPEDOED, BUT WOULD NOT HELP TO CLEAN UP OR RECTIFY; IT'D BE TOO EASY IF WE WERE TO FIX IT ALL UP RIGHT HERE, NOW THAT WE HAVE EVERYONE ALL ASSEMBLED HERE AND ALL ... NO, NO; WE'LL LET THEM ALL GO FREE (EVEN THOUGH IT'S SUPREMELY CLEAR AT THIS POINT THEY'RE CRIMINALS), AND *YOU'LL* HAVE TO WIND YOUR WAY THOROUGH OUR TORTUOUS LEGAL SYSTEM *YOURSELF,* ACTING AS YOUR OWN ATTORNEY, GETTING YOUR OWN LEGAL KNOWLEDGE, AND PREPARING YOUR CASE *YOURSELF* ... FIGHTING SOME OF THE BIGGEST LEGAL ENTITES OUR "PINNACLE OF CIVILIZATION" CULTURE HAS EVER SEEN ... YOU GO DO THAT), AS SOON AS WE "GOT BACK" TO THE HOSPITAL, PROPER, I BELIEVE ... INJECTIONS WERE TO COMMENCE.
AND I'D ALREADY GOTTEN A TASTE:
ON THE 2ND DAY OF MY KIDNAPPING, WHILE IN THE PSYCH. E.R. (JUST MORE KANGAROO CRAP BY HIDEOUS UNPROFESSIONALS ... NO DIFFERENT FROM THE BOZOS YOU'D MEET AT ANY CIRCUIT CITY, ETC.), FOR THE "CRIME" OF READING THE NAMES OF MY CAPTORS OVER THE PHONE TO A FAMILY MEMBER ... THE MOMENT I HUNG UP THE PHONE 3 MASSIVE GOONS APPEARED, PUTTING ON RUBBER GLOVES ... AS IF THEY WERE AFRAID OF GETTING BLOOD ON THEM. WHOSE BLOOD, I WONDERED...?
THEY PICKED ME UP, DRAGGED ME ACROSS THE ROOM INTO A SMALLER ROOM, SLAMMED ME DOWN ON A GURNEY, PULLED DOWN MY PANTS, PULLED DOWN MY UNDERPANTS AND STUCK TWO NEEDLES IN MY BUTTOCKS. I WAS OUT COLD FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY INJECTED IN ME.
THAT TERROR NEVER LEFT ME FOR THE NEXT 50 DAYS.
THE GOONS WOULD PERIODICALLY SHOW UP AGAIN AND AGAIN ... TO MY TERROR, OF COURSE.
OUR EVIL, SICK SOCIETY WITH ITS DOUBLE-STANDARDS DOESN'T LOOK AT NEEDLES IN YOUR BUTTOCKS AS TANTAMOUNT TO ANAL RAPE, UNLESS YOU'RE FEMALE (SAY, YOUR DAUGHTER, OR YOUR GRANDMOTHER).
THESE WERE NOT "PROFESSIONALS ADMINISTERING MEDICATION" -- THEY WERE THUGS, BRUTALIZING ME W/NEEDLES, W/LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN THEIR EMOTIONS AND MOTIVATIONS THAN THUGS IN ANY GHETTO.
I'M SURE THEY'RE DOING THE SAME TONIGHT.
WHO'S GOING TO STOP THEM?
ME?
I wanted to finish off w/just this one last bit:
"Interestingly, NY also requires statements from two physicians to get an involuntary commitment."
Do you even perceive how psychotic a statement that is? If ONE person is a "monopoly" -- is 2 that much better? One senior M.D., the other Jr. He's going to GO AGAINST his boss? PLEASE. You need at LEAST 3, any 5 year-old child could figure that out. But clearly the "geniuses running the system" can't.
And "requires STATEMENTS"? What the hell is THAT?
Involuntary commitment? What the hell is THAT?
WHAT THE HELL KIND OF FRANKENSTEIN SOCIETY ARE WE LIVING IN WHEN YOU CAN DETERMINE "FOR SOMEONE" (WHO HAS NOT BEEN TESTED, TRIED, CONVICTED, ACCUSED, ETC.) THEY ARE TO BE "INVOLUNTARILY COMMITTED"?
How would you like it if one of these psychotic doctors DID THAT TO SOMEONE IN YOUR FAMILY? You think they CAN'T? THINK AGAIN.
In the massive link you provided (which I seriously doubt the "good doctors" keep every detail and nuance in mind as they make their vaunted "decisions"), I only got a quick chance to scan, but they seem FROM THE VERY START, TO MAKE THE SAME INSANE PRESUPPOSITION THAT ELM. HOSP. (AND I SUPPOSE MANY OTHERS) AND ALL THEIR DERANGED EMPLOYEES MAKE:
THAT INNOCENT PERSONS WILL NEVER BE A FACTOR IN THE SYSTEM; THAT THE SYSTEM IS INFALLIABLE; THAT THERE NEVER NEED BE ANY TEST *FROM THE MOMENT THE VICTIMS ARRIVE OFF THE KIDNAPPING WAGON* TO SEE IF THEY'RE NORMAL. THAT THEY DON'T EVEN BELONG THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
BUT, OF COURSE, MY "STUPIDITY" IS I DON'T SEE: "EVERYONE *BELONGS* THERE" ... B/C EVERYONE *MUST BE BILLED.* THE MONEY MUST KEEP ROLLING IN. WE CANNOT HAVE ANY LAWSUITS. THEREFORE, EVERYONE *MUST* GET A LIFE-DESTROYING-CHARACTER-DESTROYING "DIAGNOSIS."
IT'S JUST TO PROTECT THE M.D.S.
THE HOSPITALS.
THE SYSTEM.
(Truly sorry for the length, all. Hey, c'mon; I had to type it all [w/no proofreading, I swear!]; you're just readin' it.)
J.
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