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PDAENVY
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quote:
Originally posted by skaman35
... "inventorb", what do you mean by impact protection?

I expect he means something like: if you drop your Visor and it lands face down and hits the screen on a rock, will the screen protector prevent the screen from breaking?

And I have to agree with Toby - I can't imagine any screen protector would have this capability.

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09-18-2000 08:46 PM

Inventorb
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quote:
Originally posted by skaman35
STOP bashing warman, this is the first time he has said something of importance and i think we should hear him out. He does sell screen protectors, (were not talking about what he does to other companies), and he asked a very good question. We do not punish him for trying to help us, and yes he is trying to help, otherwise he wouldnt have asked about price. he is obviously thinking about lowering his prices or possibly suggesting things to companies like handspring.
moving on-yes, i think that screen protectors are too expensive, that is why i dont use them even though i should. i for one actually like the texture of the writewrites but hate the price. i havent tried making my own (im worried i could damage the visor).
i agree, as much as i would like to see handspring include screen protectors, its probably not a good idea.
"inventorb", what do you mean by impact protection?

I have tested and have documentation of a product that test at 300% impact
protection. Although the cost is a little higher. I need to see how this market is going
to respond to it.

Also I have information from Sony, Hitachi and the like that impact damage is the
number one killer of a hand held device or notebook.

Thank You
Inventor

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09-18-2000 09:19 PM

PDAENVY
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quote:
Originally posted by Inventorb
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skaman35

I have tested and have documentation of a product that test at 300% impact protection. Although the cost is a little higher. I need to see how this market is going to respond to it.

What does that mean, 300% impact protection? 300% of what? What would your impact-resistant product mean to a typical PDA user?

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09-18-2000 09:32 PM

Hoser_back_home
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quote:
Originally posted by PDAENVY

What does that mean, 300% impact protection? 300% of what? What would your impact-resistant product mean to a typical PDA user?

i'm assuming the screen can absorb 3x the impact force. that's not bad. i've been lucky with the 2 or 3 drops i've had with my visor (the cover became a shock aborber and bounced off my visor protecting it from damage).

A question that comes to mind, if it improves impact strength then it surely must be thicker, how does that affect visability? I currently don't use any screen protection because i don't like the way it lowers visability (plus i don't scratch the screen very much and i can live with the little stuff...i do have 3M tape on the silkscreen which has saved my graffiti area nicely).

Does a screen protector that improves impact strength sacrifice visability?

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Inventorb
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quote:
Originally posted by Hoser_in_USA
quote:
Originally posted by PDAENVY

What does that mean, 300% impact protection? 300% of what? What would your impact-resistant product mean to a typical PDA user?

i'm assuming the screen can absorb 3x the impact force. that's not bad. i've been lucky with the 2 or 3 drops i've had with my visor (the cover became a shock aborber and bounced off my visor protecting it from damage).

A question that comes to mind, if it improves impact strength then it surely must be thicker, how does that affect visability? I currently don't use any screen protection because i don't like the way it lowers visability (plus i don't scratch the screen very much and i can live with the little stuff...i do have 3M tape on the silkscreen which has saved my graffiti area nicely).

Does a screen protector that improves impact strength sacrifice visability?

The impact test proved a 300% increase in weight dropped directly on the face plate
without breakage. The cost that I'm concern with is to keep it optically safe.
Although the material that has been tested was appropriate for clarity, and price. I
would like to go one step further. In order to give the consumer the added protection
without any or minute distortion, but allow a anti glare protection.

Thank You
Inventor

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09-18-2000 10:21 PM

John Nowak
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Location: Redwood City CA
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quote:
Originally posted by Hoser_in_USA
i'm assuming the screen can absorb 3x the impact force. that's not bad. i've been lucky with the 2 or 3 drops i've had with my visor (the cover became a shock aborber and bounced off my visor protecting it from damage).

I'd imagine it works for the same reason you put packing tape on windows to pretect them from bomb blasts or earthquakes: the cover distributes the shock along the entire surface of the glass and so it tends to hold together better. It won't save the glass from a real nasty hit, of course, but every little bit helps.

09-18-2000 11:43 PM

MarkEagle
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quote:
Originally posted by John Nowak
it works for the same reason you put packing tape on windows

This doesn't really prevent the glass from breaking per se... it simply reduces the shatter and flying. Plus, to work effectively, you need plenty of adhesive and I'm not sure I want to "stick" anything on my Visor screen (think of the removal headaches).

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09-19-2000 12:02 AM

ToolkiT
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quote:
Originally posted by skaman35
STOP bashing warman, this is the first time he has said something of importance and i think we should hear him out. He does sell screen protectors, (were not talking about what he does to other companies), and he asked a very good question. We do not punish him for trying to help us, and yes he is trying to help, otherwise he wouldnt have asked about price. he is obviously thinking about lowering his prices or possibly suggesting things to companies like handspring.

My point exactly, InventorB has caused some trouble in the past, but just like everybody else he can start a thread if he plays by the rules.....
Call me a romantic fool, but I believe all people a good by nature.... even people that are known to be flamebait...

Keep in mind this thread is about the question "How much are you willing to pay for a screenprotector?"
And later on the extra question, 'would you be willing to pay more for them if the screenprotector has additional impact protection'....
Please keep it a clean thread....

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09-19-2000 12:11 AM

John Nowak
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Location: Redwood City CA
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quote:
Originally posted by MarkEagle
This doesn't really prevent the glass from breaking per se...

Sure it does. Not if you whack it one with a hammer, of course, but it will provide some protection.

09-19-2000 12:33 AM

Inventorb
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Location: Mesa, AZ USA
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quote:
Originally posted by MarkEagle
quote:
Originally posted by John Nowak
it works for the same reason you put packing tape on windows

This doesn't really prevent the glass from breaking per se... it simply reduces the shatter and flying. Plus, to work effectively, you need plenty of adhesive and I'm not sure I want to "stick" anything on my Visor screen (think of the removal headaches).

"you need plenty of adhesive"

This is not a true statement. During testing the type of adhesive that was used turned
into natural adhesion. This doesn't sound correct. But I was there and I saw the
testing. When you remove the screen protector their was no residue or adhesives
remaining. NONE.

Thank You
Inventor

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09-19-2000 01:14 AM

rclayton
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From an email I just recieved:

quote:
Ryan:
The truth sure does hurt. It must be killing you that your frivolous boycott cannot stop reality.

Thank You
Inventor

He sure does love to try and get me upset. But he doesn't. He just shows me over and over again that I am dealing with a child, and I have choosen to treat him that way.

Ryan

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09-19-2000 02:18 PM

Inventorb
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Location: Mesa, AZ USA
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quote:
Originally posted by rclayton
From an email I just recieved:

quote:
Ryan:
The truth sure does hurt. It must be killing you that your frivolous boycott cannot stop reality.

Thank You
Inventor

He sure does love to try and get me upset. But he doesn't. He just shows me over and over again that I am dealing with a child, and I have choosen to treat him that way.

Ryan

The reality is that I can control the market. If you have not noticed the prices on all
screen protectors have fallen even the WR's I am anticipating the lowering of prices
again this time a substantially lowering. This discussion is about lowering prices. Not
your stupid boycott wake up and join in. In a previous forum I made a statement that
as the cost of defending my product goes down so will the price. We have major
changes in mind. Get off your high horse jump on board and it will benefit all
consumers.

"Consumers you must over look the minority."

Thank You
Inventor
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09-19-2000 02:37 PM

Hoser_back_home
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Bob,

You are not 'controlling' anything except your own company and, I am hoping, your future comments on this site. I am going to re-state the warning to you and all others. Please keep this thread civil.

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To get back on topic. I assume by 'natural' adhesive you mean organic? i'm confused. What thickness of screen protector is required for a 300% increase in impact protection?

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09-19-2000 03:05 PM

Lacutis
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I know I shouldn't say this, but...

With someone as childish as Inventorb running a company it scares me, I will not be buying anything from it.

Regards.

09-19-2000 03:24 PM

dequardo
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'Bob' (name reads the same way forward as backward in case he forgets it) has zero credibility here. Reasons seem obvious. I still vote to close the thread.

Mike

09-19-2000 05:22 PM

Inventorb
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Location: Mesa, AZ USA
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quote:
Originally posted by Hoser_in_USA
Bob,

You are not 'controlling' anything except your own company and, I am hoping, your future comments on this site. I am going to re-state the warning to you and all others. Please keep this thread civil.

------------------------------------------------------------

To get back on topic. I assume by 'natural' adhesive you mean organic? i'm confused. What thickness of screen protector is required for a 300% increase in impact protection?

During the testing the products ranged from 12 mil - 20 mil. Although the 12 mil held up better than the 20 mil. Their was a difference the "hand" was different on the
above tested materials.

Thank You
Inventor

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09-19-2000 05:29 PM

Toby
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quote:
Originally posted by dequardo
'Bob' (name reads the same way forward as backward in case he forgets it) has zero credibility here. Reasons seem obvious. I still vote to close the thread.

Exactly why I find the desire to keep it open odd. It seems that the sole purpose of the thread is for "Inventorb" to relay the results of an unknown "testing company"'s results using unknown methodologies and unknown materials, and basically claiming his word as proof of its truth.

I guess my question is "since when is VisorCentral.com's purpose to be a focus group for 'Inventorb''s products?" If someone was asking questions about his product (unsolicited or seeking advice), I can maybe see a valid line of discussion going from there, but this seems like both trolling and spam from this side of the world.

09-19-2000 05:43 PM

Inventorb
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quote:
Originally posted by Toby
quote:
Originally posted by dequardo
'Bob' (name reads the same way forward as backward in case he forgets it) has zero credibility here. Reasons seem obvious. I still vote to close the thread.

Exactly why I find the desire to keep it open odd. It seems that the sole purpose of the thread is for "Inventorb" to relay the results of an unknown "testing company"'s results using unknown methodologies and unknown materials, and basically claiming his word as proof of its truth.

I guess my question is "since when is VisorCentral.com's purpose to be a focus group for 'Inventorb''s products?" If someone was asking questions about his product (unsolicited or seeking advice), I can maybe see a valid line of discussion going from there, but this seems like both trolling and spam from this side of the world.

Do you want the prices of all screen protector's to be lowered?

Thank You
Inventor

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09-19-2000 06:00 PM

Tom LaPrise
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The ultimate answer to the screen breakage problem would be for Handspring, Palm, etc. to use a plastic screen like the Palm m100 has, but in "official size." The overlay which allows your stylus pressure to make stuff happen on screen has to be made of something flexible, obviously, but there is no reason why the rigid portion of the screen underneath has to be glass in order to be clear. Look at a sheet of new Lexan. It's just as clear as glass, and could be hit with a hammer (hard enough to demolish a Visor) without shattering.

The screen overlay, being flexible, is going to be a bit soft; this is where the screen protector comes in. My apprehension about a screen protector capable of providing meaningful impact protection for the screen is that in order to do so, it would have to be fairly thick (to act as a cushion) or fairly hard (to distribute impact force); either way, the response of the screen to stylus pressure (text input, selection, etc.) or the clarity of the screen is bound to suffer.

To make a long story short (too late!), I would not be interested in a screen protector which adds impact protection. I want a screen with its own impact protection, so the screen protector only has to protect the soft screen overlay from scratching. (That doesn't take much.)

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09-19-2000 06:42 PM

ToolkiT
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Location: Sydney Australia
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quote:
Originally posted by Toby
quote:
Originally posted by dequardo
'Bob' (name reads the same way forward as backward in case he forgets it) has zero credibility here. Reasons seem obvious. I still vote to close the thread.

Exactly why I find the desire to keep it open odd. It seems that the sole purpose of the thread is for "Inventorb" to relay the results of an unknown "testing company"'s results using unknown methodologies and unknown materials, and basically claiming his word as proof of its truth.

I guess my question is "since when is VisorCentral.com's purpose to be a focus group for 'Inventorb''s products?" If someone was asking questions about his product (unsolicited or seeking advice), I can maybe see a valid line of discussion going from there, but this seems like both trolling and spam from this side of the world.

it is not VisorCentral's purpose to be a focus group for 'Inventorb''s products. However this forum is setup for all visor-users and all visor-related resellers/manufactures to discuss Visor related issues.

This thread started out to be promissing: a discussion about the prices of screenprotectors. (IMHO they are too expensive... but that is besideds the point now...)

However some people out here get a kick about upsetting other users. This thread has been kept open with the warning to keep it clean. By sending that flame mail, InventorB abused the trust given to him...the result was this thread is starting to be another flame-war and hence I am closing it.

Everybody, please give this screenprotector flame-war a rest and keep this a positive place.....

Thanx in advance!

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