VisorCentral.com (http://discussion.visorcentral.com/vcforum/index.php)
- Visor Prism (http://discussion.visorcentral.com/vcforum/forumdisplay.php?forumid=19)
-- Visor Prism TFT not so hot (http://discussion.visorcentral.com/vcforum/showthread.php?threadid=8701)

Based on this photograph, it seems like the Visor Prism's LCD screen suffers from the same pixel spacing issues that the Palm IIIc had (basically you can see between the pixels, causing a distracting grid that makes it harder on the eyes to read the screen).

http://www.zdnet.co.jp/macwire/0010/16/visor5.jpg

Pen Computing also notices this issue, as well as a screen refresh/flicker issue.

Looks like the Platinum is probably a better buy. Doesn't look like 160x160 color will ever be fantastic -- the resolution is just too low.

Of course, my opinion is subject to change once I see one in person.

-Al

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Of course, my opinion is subject to change once I see one in person. -Al

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Hard to judge definitively from the photo, too... depending on image reduction/compression, there might be some moir� pattern effect at work.

But it is nice to see a more realistic representation than the snazzy photos on Handspring's site. I hope Best Buy/Staples get these in stock soon, so I can go check one out.

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Visor Prism - digital photos of screen will always look bad/moired

http://www.zdnet.co.jp/macwire/0010/16/visor5.jpg

The link above to the photo of Visor Prism does not do it justice. You do not see the gaps between the pixels. I love the 65 thou. colors. The pixels are way more obvious on my Palm IIIc because the images have to be dithered or posterized before they are displayed. The IIIc does not have enough processing power to handle any more color.

Geeky detail: you cannot photograph a grid of pixels with a digital camera based on a gridded CCD and expect the representation to look like how your eye would perceive it. It is like filming a TV or monitor with a scanning TV camera. You get interference lines. In the case of the Visor Prism you get a moire pattern like you can see on the (I presume) Japanese Visor Prism in the URL above. Try photographing with ordinary film to see what I mean and compare.

The joys of being an early adopter...

While I wait to see the Prism in person myself, I couldn't help but obsess over what 160x160 will do for an image, so I took a 320x320 native image, squashed it to 160x160, reduced the colors to 65k colors, and expanded it (with no interpolation) back to 320x320.

Here's what I came up with:
http://staff.pop3now.com/alee/image_v_hs.jpg

What do you think... is my methodology flawed here or is this roughly what we should expect to see (obviously on a much smaller scale)?

-Al

Albert:

The image on the right is pretty much what it would look like on a Palm IIIc. Don't know about the Prism, until I see one in person. But I assume it would be a close likeness.

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Albert:

The image on the right is pretty much what it would look like on a Palm IIIc. Don't know about the Prism, until I see one in person. But I assume it would be a close likeness.

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Yes but Albert is trying to simulate the effect of a 160x160 disply. Not color depth, but rather pixel depth.

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What do you think... is my methodology flawed here or is this roughly what we should expect to see (obviously on a much smaller scale)?

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you guys are idiots. there is no way your file will look like anything. just wait for a week and go look at the thing in person at fry's. then you can tell your boring girlfriend every detail about the stupid thing and say: "if only this were out three weeks ago....."

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you guys are idiots. there is no way your file will look like anything. just wait for a week and go look at the thing in person at fry's. then you can tell your boring girlfriend every detail about the stupid thing and say: "if only this were out three weeks ago....."

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Originally posted by Bret Snyder

And when did they start selling at Fry's ? [/B]

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Originally posted by Usonian
I hate to prove a troll with a third-grade command of the English language right, but they've got Visors and accessories at the Fry's in Burbank, CA. No display models that I could see, though; just boxes on the same shelves as the Palm models (and the Clie, come to think of it.)

Best Buy will probably be a better bet to get a look at a working model.

-Andy

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I shop at the Burbank Fry's, so I will stop by and take a look (the display models are usually over by the laptops).

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Originally posted by california boyhead
you guys are idiots. there is no way your file will look like anything. just wait for a week and go look at the thing in person at fry's. then you can tell your boring girlfriend every detail about the stupid thing and say: "if only this were out three weeks ago....."

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