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Posted by dick-richardson on 09-11-2001 08:53 PM:

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Originally posted by Toby
Hmph...they knew us well enough to coordinate an attack between two major US cities at points which would cause maximum damage.

But they don't know our temperment.

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Actually, that's a problem as well. We're irrationally pissed from my observations.

I wouldn't say we're irrationally pissed. We have a damn good reason to be pissed. Our actions need to be well thought out and backed by evidence, but make no mistake - they will be emotionally inspired.

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Bad metaphor. Rabid wolves don't scent for anything. They attack indiscriminately.

Good point.

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Posted by Toby on 09-11-2001 09:07 PM:

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Originally posted by dick-richardson
But they don't know our temperment.

*shrug* I'm not so sure we have a specific temperament anymore.

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I wouldn't say we're irrationally pissed. We have a damn good reason to be pissed.

I suppose that wasn't clear enough. I didn't mean that we were pissed without rational reason, but rather that many comments I hear from the average Joe on the street are pissed in an irrational manner. Now is not the time to go off half-cocked.

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Our actions need to be well thought out and backed by evidence, but make no mistake - they will be emotionally inspired.

That's all well and good, as long as there is evidence to support it. Considering that bin Laden or whoever is probably holed up in another country, we need to be sure before launching some sort of retaliation. OTOH, the friend of my enemy may also become my enemy.

Posted by Hoser_back_home on 09-11-2001 10:28 PM:

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Originally posted by homer

BTW, has there been any link to the Pensylvania crash yet?

on the radio, on the way home, they mentioned that a passenger made a frantic 911 call from the washroom of the plane explaining that the plane was hijacked... after that there hasn't been any news as to why the plane went down when it did.

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Posted by ernieba1 on 09-11-2001 10:32 PM:

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Originally posted by homer
I also understand the the WTC were built with the exterior framwork of the building being the load bearing structure. I'm sure we're going to have to re-evaluate how we build high rises and how we provide a means of escape and/or fire prevention systems for floors on the top levels.

Did you ever think this could ever possibly happen? Do you think that the thing on an architect's mind is, "Now, what if a hijacked airplane crashed into this building? But to protect against it $$$."

And also, the Empire State Building once withstood a B-57 crashing into it.

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Posted by Newboy on 09-11-2001 10:32 PM:

Sick

I am sick of it.

I am sick of the violence. In the last couple of weeks ending with (I hope) today we have seen an incredible escalation of violence. The Israeli/Palestinian problem, the Irish problem, the multiple murder/suicides in California and now today.

AND I am sick of dampeoples' animated logo.

John

Posted by dampeoples on 09-11-2001 10:58 PM:

So sue me pal

Posted by dampeoples on 09-11-2001 11:00 PM:

oops! here it is again.

Posted by dampeoples on 09-11-2001 11:01 PM:

"AND I am sick of dampeoples' animated logo."

Had enough of my violent logo, or should I post again and again? Keep your opinions on my logo to yourself.

Posted by lowtech on 09-11-2001 11:03 PM:

We had dinner in the Windows on the World Restaurant, in the North Tower of the Worled Trade Center, in June.

We live less than 2 miles from Camp David, a possible target of one of the planes, so we have heard.

Prayers of thanks.

And prayers for those who were there today.

Linda

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Posted by Yorick on 09-11-2001 11:05 PM:

dp, don't be a jerk, and please watch your language.

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Posted by dampeoples on 09-11-2001 11:09 PM:

"dp, don't be a jerk, and please watch your language."

FOr the language, I apologize, as for the being a jerk, i apologize half-heartedly. A more acceptable comment would have been : hey, dp, how's about changing your avatar in light of the recent acts of violence today, or hey man, is this really appropriate. Calling me out was not, in my opinion a diplomatic way to approach this.
Sterling

Posted by Newboy on 09-11-2001 11:20 PM:

Sterling,

I apologize. I am caught up in the moment. I should have been more diplomatic. Sorry.

John

Posted by dampeoples on 09-11-2001 11:27 PM:

In light of the situation, I am trying to disable the Avatar, having problems getting in...

Posted by shockwave869 on 09-11-2001 11:42 PM:

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Originally posted by Toby
The difference is that Pearl Harbor was perpetrated by a _nation_. There is no nation which directly perpetrated this act.

Do we know that???

Posted by dampeoples on 09-11-2001 11:44 PM:

There we go, now on with the topic at hand, not personal aggression.

Posted by dick-richardson on 09-11-2001 11:47 PM:

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Originally posted by Toby
*shrug* I'm not so sure we have a specific temperament anymore.

Specific - no. A general temperment - more likely. I'd be willing to bet that most Americans are more angry than afraid. There also appears a temperment of compassion at times like this.

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I suppose that wasn't clear enough. I didn't mean that we were pissed without rational reason, but rather that many comments I hear from the average Joe on the street are pissed in an irrational manner. Now is not the time to go off half-cocked.

I think we're fully cocked. As soon as we aim, it's all over. I pray that it's done justly and with evidence, as do you. I also wish people could calm down and rationally; methodically hunt down those responsible. Then we can stick some radioactive Plutonium up their @$$ and put them in a room of mirrors so they can watch themselves melt. I doubt American's capacity for patience, however, and fear that there will be a lot of innocent people that will pay.

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That's all well and good, as long as there is evidence to support it. Considering that bin Laden or whoever is probably holed up in another country, we need to be sure before launching some sort of retaliation. OTOH, the friend of my enemy may also become my enemy.

Hence my comments at the beginning regarding Russia and China.

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Posted by homer on 09-12-2001 03:10 AM:

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Did you ever think this could ever possibly happen? Do you think that the thing on an architect's mind is, "Now, what if a hijacked airplane crashed into this building? But to protect against it $$$."

Of course not. That's my point. Because of this event, this will be an issue with every highrise we build.

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And also, the Empire State Building once withstood a B-57 crashing into it.

Right. but the Empire State Building is built much differently. Apparently, according to the BBC, the WTC was actually prone to this type of attack do to the way it was constructed.

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Posted by VTL on 09-12-2001 06:50 AM:

I heard on the TV today that the WTC was actually designed to withstand a crash with a 707 when it was built in the early 70s. Unfortunately, planes have gotten much bigger, and both of the jets involved likely had pretty full fuel tanks. Whomever is behind this, they aren't dumb. Evil, but not dumb.

Posted by j762538 on 09-12-2001 12:57 PM:

I think no one, even the terrorist, envisioned a total loss of both buildings.

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Posted by Jupe on 09-12-2001 01:41 PM:

Who can say what people like this 'envision'? My assumption has been that they hoped for the total, nearly instantaneous loss of both buildings.

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