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Posted by kwallyg on 10-27-2001 02:40 AM:

When is the 1GiG(mem) coming out for the PRISM & whose going to reach it first?

Whose going to reach the 1 gigahertz range for the prism and what campany is going to sell it?

IMAGINE:
One day the Prism is going to have an unlimited amount of storage that cost close to nothing. Is the technology there and whose close to it?

Why do we have to use two devices such as a compact flash or smartmedia to achieve this defeat when a company can build one device to transfer memory at a faster pace?

Correct me if I'm wrong, It slows the CPU down when you go from one device to another? That's why Intel and AMD is changing the computer ARCHITECTURE.

The memplug and other devices that store memory are built around the old standard and soon will be placed on the motherboard. I can see a company replacing motherboards to incorporate a faster bus, wireless technology, better springboard functionality such as bigger hard drives, and more importantly blue tooth technology. Is Handspring going to take the lead?

Someone help me out with this topic. I'm a futuristic and like other people that own the PRISM, I've been waiting for a killer Device to come out and there isn't one except for the MEMPLUGS.

When will the ULTIMATE PRISM hardware come out?

When the memory is ultimately large, software will be written larger and inturn get better. LOOK at Microsoft? They're not the top because of their software, it's because of the hardware limitations increase while they've continuously made software that people needed. Who will take the lead with handhelds. IBM, INTEL, HANDSPRING, ETC... I can go on.

Are handhelds making a lot of money or companies making more money incorporating this technology into Wireless phones. I really don't know whose going to win; however, I would like my PRISM to expand it's technology features.

Handhelds are coming out with the expandability option and I don't see one killer expansion.

When will the large memory devices come out?
Two or three years from now when the computer will be 20 GIG's (CPU) faster than the handheld. The handheld business will not last unless someone takes the lead...........Whose going to reach the 1 gigahertz range for the prism and what campany is going to sell it?

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Posted by Uncle Roger on 10-28-2001 01:17 AM:

Re: When is the 1GiG(mem) coming out for the PRISM & whose going to reach it first?

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Originally posted by kwallyg
One day the Prism is going to have an unlimited amount of storage that cost close to nothing. Is the technology there and whose close to it?

My Prism does have unlimited storage that costs close to nothing. I've got a FlashPlus and some CF cards.

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Why do we have to use two devices such as a compact flash or smartmedia to achieve this defeat when a company can build one device to transfer memory at a faster pace?

Huh? The speed in moving from CF to main memory is limited by the speed of the CF card. The only way to increase this is to switch to something faster, such as standard RAM. But that requires power to maintain data stored in it, so your battery life drops to an hour or less. Or, you could go the other way and introduce the complexity of a file system, in which case it takes time to load your apps and data from whatever storage you're using -- just as it takes time (forever) for Windows and Windows apps to load.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, It slows the CPU down when you go from one device to another? That's why Intel and AMD is changing the computer ARCHITECTURE.

The memplug and other devices that store memory are built around the old standard and soon will be placed on the motherboard. I can see a company replacing motherboards to incorporate a faster bus, wireless technology, better springboard functionality such as bigger hard drives, and more importantly blue tooth technology. Is Handspring going to take the lead?

Sure, you could put a CF slot on the motherboard, which is what Palm and Sony have done with their new models (only they used MMC and MemorySticks, respectively.) Personally, I prefer the flexibility of the SpringBoard slot, which can be used for a voice recorder, modem, buzzer, dedicated backup module, and pedometer, as well as for memory expansion. (These being the modules I have.)

There always have been and always will be great debates about whether it is better to bundle everything into the system or to make it a bare bones system and let the customer add what they want/need. As an example, I have been thinking about putting together a new stereo system. For this, I want a motherboard that includes video, ethernet, and IDE controllers. None of that has to be particularly great to play MP3's and listen to internet radio stations. If I were to build a new development workstation, however, I would probably want to be more picky about the video card and disk controllers.

When it comes to a handheld, do you want what someone else thinks is a "good enough" system, or would you rather add the modules you are interested in? I might be interested, for example, in a GPS module for the visor I keep in the car, but I wouldn't want to pay extra for the ability to play MP3's. Do you want to pay a lot for a machine that does a lot of stuff you don't care about, or would you rather pay less for a basic machine and add the functionality you want? That's what HandSpring has done.

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Someone help me out with this topic. I'm a futuristic and like other people that own the PRISM, I've been waiting for a killer Device to come out and there isn't one except for the MEMPLUGS.

It all depends on what you want to do with it. For some, the EyeModule was the killer device. Others couldn't care less about a camera. Some people didn't notice the Visor until the the VisorPhone came out.

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When the memory is ultimately large, software will be written larger and inturn get better.

Actually, I vehemently disagree with this. It is possible that more memory, faster processors, more storage space, etc. will allow people to write better applications, but historically, that is not the usual case. Look at Microsoft.

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LOOK at Microsoft? They're not the top because of their software, it's because of the hardware limitations increase while they've continuously made software that people needed.

Well, actually, according to the US Gov, they're on top because of their illegal business practices. 8^) Microsoft's software hasn't gotten better as it's gotten bigger, it's gotten worse. Word, for example, has gone through many versions, but still has the same list numbering bug they had at least as far back as version 2.0. They've added features (and bugs), not made better software.

In the case of the PalmOS, large programs are not a good sign -- the OS is designed so you don't have a lot of the overhead that a system like Windows has. WordSmith, for example is under 1/2 a meg -- That will fit on a floppy disk! How many word processors for Windows will fit on a floppy, with room left over for docs?

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When will the large memory devices come out? Two or three years from now when the computer will be 20 GIG's (CPU) faster than the handheld.

But that's like asking when someone is going to come out with a car that has those giant tires you see on giant dump trucks and construction equipment. It doesn't make sense, because they are different things. The tires on my Land Rover wouldn't suit a Ferrari, and vice versa. Desktops and handhelds are different beasts. They use different parts.

Posted by kwallyg on 10-28-2001 01:33 AM:

Is 20gigs coming out for the PRISM

I really don't know about the rest of the world but I consider any electronic device a computer. A Handspring, PALM, Cell phone, and even a game system like the playstation or Xbox. Perspective gadgets are being increased with memory, hard drive space, and CPU speed, why can't PDA's.

If you look at the Cell phone market. PDA's will not be in existence if they keep increasing the memory with 64 meggs and able to accomplish everything that the PALM can do! Look at some of the Cell phones and tell me what you think? What I'm saying is that PDA's are being updated slower than any mechanical device (COMPUTER) out on the market. What is going to help the PDA market what is going to be the killer app or hardware?

I can compare a PDA to a computer any day and it would be a no win situation. If the architecture changes and I'm able to have a 20 gig hard drive on my PRISM, I would love it. Right now it's only a myth but later it will happen or handspring will become outdated.

A company like Microsoft is building a bigger software bundle to fit the needs of the people, of course there will be bugs but the majority elects to use the software and it's proprietary. No matter what the courts do or say, Companies and people around the world are using Office. "As storage limitations get bigger, better software will come to fit the needs of people".

I realize that a lot of software is small and bug free; however they don't fit everyone's needs. It's like finding the right piece of software until you feel comfortable, same with hardware. I'm not a Microsoft fan by any means, I'm a Visionary that try's to forecast the future and I call it as I see it.

So, I'm relating the PC industry with the PDA industry because eventually they will be able to mix and match information from Japan to U.S. in a second using the best software and hardware. Try and vision it and tell me if I'm wrong. It's happening now but it's all mixed and mingled with whose using what? What are the top browsers, cell phones, PDA and other quick devices that might work for the MASS market.

I remember in the 80's when American Online was the only company you could go online with. Now you can find an online carrier anywhere. I'm morally wrong saying something about American online because it's 2000's and we're far and beyond that technology stage; however, PDA's seem to crawl with adding memory or having killer applications. "American Online was a killer online application".

I can go on and on. Storage on Hardrive's, CPU speed, RAM such as DDR & RAMBUS, graphics and other things in the PC market sparked the economy. What is a MEMPLUG or FLASH card? A tool to hold your memory. Right.... It's a ploy to get that company going. I don't see a problem with that because everyone has to make money and please keep the U.S. Economy going.

Getting back to the subject of my PRISM and killer APPS/HARDWARE, I can see my drivers license I.D card having my whole life information stored using my DNA. A color textured picture of myself. Also having a 1000 addresses, able to record from the I.D. Card to my home computer via satellite, medical records, college transcripts, MP3 access from home or the internet. I can see this happening. Look how small a PCMCIA card is and you can store information on it. It's limited like every memory card is but I can see the future. I just think this card would be smaller than a PCMCIA card. I can go on and on, I just don't want to hogg this topic...

Vision the future and tell me what you think?

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Posted by robert sibell on 10-28-2001 02:11 AM:

Isnt there some law that says computer speed and memory will double every so years, with no implemental price change? If you know please post it, it could help me someday.

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Posted by jhappel on 10-28-2001 12:35 PM:

kwallyg said:

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I remember in the 80's when American Online was the only company you could go online with.

I also remember the 80's. I've had my own computer since the late 70's and first went online around 1980-81 and have NEVER used AOL.

They were never the only company one could use to go online nor were they even the first.

Try to get your facts correct before you use them to try to support you opinions.

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Posted by Fizz on 10-28-2001 06:34 PM:

Hmm...

Everything I've read on memory suggests that the transfer speed is limited by the internal processor speed NOT anything to do with the CF card or other memory device. MemPlug states that the CF version of their springboard is at least twice as fast as the SM version but in practise both are about the same because the processor on the Visor dictates speed not the memory card.

Posted by bradhaak on 10-28-2001 06:56 PM:

Yes to both - obviously the speed is limited by the slowest part of the system. It could be the CPU, it could be the memory, or it could be the interface in between. The interface is generally the most likely culprit, but the slowest component determines the max performance.

It's like they used to say when I raced cars

Money = speed.
How fast do you want to go?

Posted by Uncle Roger on 10-29-2001 07:42 AM:

Re: Is 20gigs coming out for the PRISM

quote:
Originally posted by kwallyg
I really don't know about the rest of the world but I consider any electronic device a computer. A Handspring, PALM, Cell phone, and even a game system like the playstation or Xbox. Perspective gadgets are being increased with memory, hard drive space, and CPU speed, why can't PDA's.

Well, not every electronic device contains a computer, but these days many do. The big difference, however, between the computer in your visor, PC, and playstation and the one in your camcorder, stereo, and such is that the former are all general purpose computers and the latter are single purpose, dedicated computers.

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If you look at the Cell phone market. PDA's will not be in existence if they keep increasing the memory with 64 meggs and able to accomplish everything that the PALM can do! Look at some of the Cell phones and tell me what you think? What I'm saying is that PDA's are being updated slower than any mechanical device (COMPUTER) out on the market. What is going to help the PDA market what is going to be the killer app or hardware?

The problem with the idea of my cellphone replacing my visor is that my cellphone is far too small to have a usable interface (and of course my visor is a little too big to be a cellphone.)

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I can compare a PDA to a computer any day and it would be a no win situation. If the architecture changes and I'm able to have a 20 gig hard drive on my PRISM, I would love it. Right now it's only a myth but later it will happen or handspring will become outdated.

Certainly, you can't compare a PDA to a full-fledged personal computer -- nor would you want to. It's like comparing a Toyota corolla to a full-size van. The Toyota would be absolutely terrible at carrying a whole scout troop, or a bunch of old minicomputers. That doesn't make it a bad vehicle, does it? No, because they're different vehicles designed for different purposes. My PC is great for a lot of things -- image processing, ebay, acting as a terminal for a minicomputer, etc. My visor is great for different things -- keeping phone numbers handy, keeping my schedule, even doing some writing on the go.

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A company like Microsoft is building a bigger software bundle to fit the needs of the people, of course there will be bugs but the majority elects to use the software and it's proprietary. No matter what the courts do or say, Companies and people around the world are using Office. "As storage limitations get bigger, better software will come to fit the needs of people".

Sure, and more people eat at McDonald's and Burger King than any local burger joint, so does that mean they make better burgers?

Microsoft's primary concern is increasing market share, not making better software. Don't kid yourself that they want to do what's right -- they're in it for the money.

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So, I'm relating the PC industry with the PDA industry because eventually they will be able to mix and match information from Japan to U.S. in a second using the best software and hardware. Try and vision it and tell me if I'm wrong. It's happening now but it's all mixed and mingled with whose using what? What are the top browsers, cell phones, PDA and other quick devices that might work for the MASS market.

But the PC and PDA industries are not analagous. They are similar, yes, but not the same. Even if you were to try and compare them, the current PDA market is like the late 70's or early 80's of the PC world. Different vendors, with proprietary systems, and everyone building their own software and coming up with their own uses. In which case, one wouldn't expect the hardware to improve terribly fast -- there is not yet the financial impetus.

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I remember in the 80's when American Online was the only company you could go online with. Now you can find an online carrier anywhere. I'm morally wrong saying something about American online because it's 2000's and we're far and beyond that technology stage; however, PDA's seem to crawl with adding memory or having killer applications. "American Online was a killer online application".

Bzzzzt! Wrong. In the 80's, AOL was a small commodore service. It wasn't until the early 90's (iirc) that it became AOL and began providing americans with free floppies. AOL was never the only way to get online. Other large services included CompuServe, Prodigy, Genie, etc.

America Online was not a killer online application -- that was a) e-mail and b) hypertext (as in the web.)

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Vision the future and tell me what you think?

Well, I usually charge a whole lot of money for that (see <http://www.techsynthesis.com/> ) but here are some freebies:

- The biggest advances for the next few years will be in software. There are two reasons -- there needs to be more applications and better integration with PC applications and, in the current economic climate, much cheaper to bring to market.

- PDA's will get better quality, higher resolution, color screens. This will be one of the main areas in which hardware will improve.

- Ethernet, especially 802.11b wireless, will become more common, as companies begin to put more handhelds to work for inventory, sales processing, and data lookup functions in their businesses. Look at the PalmOS devices being sold by Symbol -- you won't hear about them on the net much, but Symbol has a huge presence in the retail world.

- CPU's will get faster and they will be able to handle more memory. This won't be as big a factor as you think however -- figuring out how to make usable software with such a small footprint will be the big advance, and it won't be done by making bloatware. A faster CPU won't make such a difference.

- You will begin to see the lessons learned from the PDA world being applied in both the cellphone/pager/smartcard arena and the laptop industry. Innovative technologies like the Matias HalfKeyboard and even Grafitti itself will start to show up on laptops.

Anyway, that's about it for tonight.

Posted by Crustytrusty on 11-06-2001 12:22 AM:

Hey uncle roger...

Can I redesign your site?

Seems like you do some great work and have a ton of usefull information,,, but your web presence does not help your credibility any

I would be happy to send you a quote.... "I usually charge a whole lot of money for that " but in your case I can make an exception

let me know

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