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Posted by Uday on 09-28-2001 10:00 PM:

what happenned with the stock?

down 40% today. does anyone know why this might be? does not look good tho.

uday


Posted by homer on 09-28-2001 10:37 PM:

the recession?

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Posted by miradu on 09-29-2001 12:16 AM:

on PDAbuzz, they had somethign about Garnett Reserach saying HS had to make a PPC soon.. don't rememebr the details.. Could be related?

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Posted by george_vc on 09-29-2001 01:13 AM:

I've got some pocket change and a few balls of lint. I think I will buy a block or two of HAND stock.


Posted by EJSHUMAK on 09-29-2001 02:42 AM:

There should be some news out there -- nothing happens in a vacuum--


Posted by miradu on 09-29-2001 03:24 AM:

There was a story on Cnet.. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-201-7322094-0.html

This wasthe one PDA buzz linked too.. This is the ONLY thing I can come up with why HS stock would drop 40%

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Posted by george_vc on 09-29-2001 04:42 AM:

Perhaps it is related to this Handspring Filing 10K405 today:

http://www.nasdaq.com/asp/quotes_se...elected=HAND%60


Posted by miradu on 09-29-2001 04:56 AM:

Can somebody explain to me what this means? I'm totally lost reaing this...

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Posted by Thunderbird291 on 09-29-2001 02:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by miradu2000
Can somebody explain to me what this means? I'm totally lost reaing this...


You're not alone, Miradu,


Posted by bookrats on 09-29-2001 04:37 PM:

Exclamation Definition of 10-K405

quote:
Originally posted by miradu2000
Can somebody explain to me what this means? I'm totally lost reaing this...


The internet is a wonderful thing: here's a definition of SEC filing types I found on the web:

10-K Filings: 10-K is an annual report which provides a comprehensive overview of the company for the past year. The filing is due 90 days after the close of the company's fiscal year, and contains such information as company history, organization, nature of business, equity, holdings, earnings per share, subsidiaries, and other pertinent financial information.

10-K405: An annual report which is filed if the Regulation S-K Item 405 box on the cover page is checked.

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So, OK, we're still in the dark -- but the form itself doesn't sound sinister.

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Posted by sowens on 09-29-2001 05:33 PM:

It could be that revenues weren't what the market expected (given the way the economy is right now, it seems likely), but I doubt I'd be able to figure it out without spending an evening with the 10k.

If anyone is interested in making sense of these and other financial statements made by a company, check out "How to Read a Financial Statement" by John A. Tracy (ISBN #0-471-32935-5). It's a good book about how various financial statements (such as the balance sheet and cash flow sheet, both of which are found in the 10k) are compiled and how to read between the lines on the statements. It takes a while to understand, but well worth it if you're interested in tracking a company's performance.

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Posted by bookrats on 09-29-2001 05:36 PM:

One other things -- I thought there was a news article a month or two ago about there being some SEC inquiries about how the initial IPO of Handspring had gone. Might that have something to to do with it?

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Posted by george_vc on 09-29-2001 06:09 PM:

I think the big problem is earnings. In addition, I think HandSpring had a good cash position mid year 120 Million in Cash, but don't think that is the current case. Interesting that on Friday there was one stock transaction (1) of about 2.2 million shares. Can't tell if it was buy or sell.


Posted by EJSHUMAK on 09-29-2001 09:30 PM:

Arrow Def the 10K

The 10K wasn't the best.
A lot of concern as to the economy and competition --
BUT
"Going Concern" satisfied by the auditors --at least for twelve months.

Generally and very briefly --

Current assets down to 156 Mil from 218 Mil last year

Total Assets UP to 253 Mil from 230 Mil last year

Rev UP --Tripled --- 370 Mil from 101 Mil last year

BUT

Revenue producing Costs UP --Quadrippled-- 292 Mil from 69 Mil last year

Loss up too -- 135 Mil this year to 60 Mil last year--

So generally just more bad news --

Though if the 2.2 mil stock transaction info is correct --(no offense -- just trying to keep myself out of trouble) --that prpbably wwas the impetus for the drop and the 10K might have been the impetus for the 2.2mil stock sale.


Posted by mensachicken on 09-30-2001 12:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by bookrats
One other things -- I thought there was a news article a month or two ago about there being some SEC inquiries about how the initial IPO of Handspring had gone. Might that have something to to do with it?


http://quote.fool.com/news/symbolne...amp;nx=&bx=

mc


Posted by yardie on 09-30-2001 05:50 AM:

Arrow old news

quote:
Originally posted by mensachicken


http://quote.fool.com/news/symbolne...amp;nx=&bx=

mc




The lawsuit is old news. I am still puzzled about the precipitious (sP) drop. They were holding up quite nicely above the $2 mark. I still consider the stock a buy (if not a steal) at these low levels.


Posted by EJSHUMAK on 09-30-2001 05:54 AM:

Arrow

I agree -- the shareholders' suit is old news --

the 10k is fresh and if someone did dump over 2 mil shares all at once -- that could well have caused it -- we should know something by Monday --

I definately bought some more -- the only thing that could make that a loser is if they went under -- and that certainly is unlikely -- especially for a year or two.


Posted by george_vc on 09-30-2001 05:56 AM:

I think insiders own about 80% of HandSpring stock. Regarding a previous append, here is the information provided that on Friday "someone" had a stock transaction of 2.2 million shares at $1.20 per share.

Link Here


Posted by EJSHUMAK on 09-30-2001 06:04 AM:

Arrow Probably

Nothing on listed insider sales on the "insider sales web site" -- but who else would have over 2 mil shhares to dump?


http://insider.thomsonfn.com/tfn/in...and&ttype=A

And this sems to be after the drop and not to have affected the price much -- except perhaps for the seller himself --

Thanx for the NASDAQ link---


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