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Posted by Burns on 10-04-2001 03:24 PM:

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- dick-richardson wrote
That **** linguistics chick needs to ride outside - during an atmospheric re-entry.

Check that. Like cnegrad said, hopefully "Fight or Flight" took care of that. If not, I suggest they use her for the next test of the sensor alignment.

As for T'Pol, I think the same fate may await her if the writers don't soften her up a bit. I mean, good greif Charlie Brown! How many times can she pull the football away when you try to kick it before you forget about the football and kick her [butt]????

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-cnegrad wrote
I really want the Star Trek legacy to continue. But if the writers don't get their act together, I'm afraid it'll die due to low ratings.

Agreed.

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Posted by Winchell on 10-04-2001 08:02 PM:

Well, no accounting for taste...

Oddly enough, I rather liked the first episode, and really liked the second.

It is 1000% better than that warmed-over dreck which was Star Trek: Voyager.

The crewmembers seem to be real, believable, fallable people, as opposed to those blandly well-adjusted "Stepford Crewmembers" and their spacegoing posh hotel in the other Trek series.

Some of the small touches were great! The piping on the uniform's sholder pads matches the color-coding from ST:TOS. And the weird graph inside of T'Pol's scanner hood had the look and feel of the original series. The torpedo room was cool, as well.

Not to mention the reference to Axanar. That is

the name of the race who saved the Enterprise's derri�re in "Fight or Flight"
a reference to the ST:TOS episode "Whom Gods Destroy". Garth of Izar won an important battle in the Axanar system a few years before ST:TOS.

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Posted by robert sibell on 10-04-2001 09:55 PM:

have you noticed how next generation, classic episodes, and enterprise all have the same characture? i mean spock, data, and this new vulcan are all smart, exact, punctiliouse. and in voayager their was an actor of every race, indian, asian, american, etc. it was supposedly the first "correct" star trek

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Posted by Rob on 10-04-2001 10:16 PM:

Re: Well, no accounting for taste...

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Originally posted by Winchell

Some of the small touches were great!

Some of the things I like so far in Enterprise:
* interesting, likeable, and fallable characters (almost all of them)
* the reverse-submarine/destroyer battle with the Suliban 'dropping' depth charges UP at the Enterprise, and Hoshi listening for the charges like a sub's radar operator
* torpedoes that can't hit the broadside of a big asteroid at first
* actually showing the crew trying to learn the controls of the Suliban pod (as opposed to the crew of Voyager who can magically read, operate, and bypass security lockouts of alien controls they've never seen before)
* showing the boredom of the crew during long periods of travel without encountering anything interesting (space is REALLY big, buy Voyager seemed to run into an anomaly or space-time fracture or Borg cube every day!)
* realistic conflict and difference of opinion among the senior staff -- in particular, captain Archer being convinced by T'Pol's arguments to leave the dead aliens' ship, then changing his mind and going back (showing his own fallability and uncertainty)
* the look on Archer's face after he realizes they used the SUPPLY TRANSPORTER to beam him up!

Posted by tstarky on 10-04-2001 11:53 PM:

I finally got to watch the show. Sure wish I had seen last week's episode! Overall I like it but I agree with ditching the whiney woman! I hope they fix this character's flaw real quick.

What I was most impressed with was Captain Archer. He is the most human acting captain I have seen yet. He actually doesn't know everything, yeah! I think I will enjoy the captains logs too. I most definitely was ROFLMAO when he said T'Pol had a way of sucking the air out of the room! My exact thought...

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Posted by usonian2001 on 10-04-2001 11:55 PM:

Re: Re: ASTRO-POLITICS

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Originally posted by Winchell
I always had the impression that the Rigel-n planets were less like the United States and more like Casablana or those Barbary Pirate corsair cities.

When I heard they were headed for the Rigel system, I was really hoping they'd visit Rigel IV:

I forgot to watch the second episode last night - I'll have to catch it Sunday. I wasn't all that enchanted by the premiere... things I had read about the production design all talked about the 'low-tech' look of the show, and I took that to mean the ship would look something like the Nostromo in Alien; very utilitarian. Instead, the ship looks more streamlined and advanced than even the Enterprise from TOS.

The writing was bad, too. I'm hoping it will just be a matter of time before they hit their stride... but in the meantime it's nice to see TNG back in reruns on TNN.

My god, I'm criticizing Star Trek on a bulletin board... I really am a nerd.

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Posted by Burns on 10-05-2001 03:36 PM:

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Robert Sibell wrote
and in voayager their was an actor of every race, indian, asian, american, etc. it was supposedly the first "correct" star trek

Actually TOS started this trend. They even had the dreaded Russians on board. Think about it. They had someone of Asian decent (Hikaru Sulu), they had someone of African decent (Uhura, which if you change the last 'a' to a 'u' means freedom in Swahili), of course the afore mentioned Russian (Pavel Andreievich Chekov), a Scottish man (aptly named Montgomery Scott) in the crew manifest.

Not only that, but there was an episode where Captain Kirk kissed Uhura on national TV. A white man kissing a black woman in the 60's was a huge thing!

So, no, Voyager was not the first politically correct Star Trek.

Back on the subject of Enterprise, I do like the flaws that the characters are showing. They're much more realistic. We have to remember that Hoshi Sato was a language teacher at the academy and only had the regular cadet training. She was not trained to be an officer but a linguist. This is proven by the fact that she is only an ensign.

As for T'Pol, I really can't think of an excuse for her rudeness. I'd almost say that her attitude comes across as uneasiness bordering on arogance if she wasn't Vulcan. The writers really should mop up the mess she leaves behind in viewers minds.

Enough for now.

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Posted by lennonhead on 10-05-2001 09:31 PM:

Completely agree about Hoshi! She was the *one* thing, the only aspect of the pilot I didn't like and they made the second episode entirely about her?????? Talk about opposites, I loved the first episode and was very disappointed by the second. Can't wait until they get rid of her!

The story for the second was so-so overall if you take Hoshi out of it. I don't understand why anyone would choose to confront an alien species that is obviously a lot more advanced and is barbaric to say the least. My fingers are crossed for #3.

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Posted by VTL on 10-06-2001 12:18 AM:

I agree. I remember despising the Deanna Troi character the first couple of seasons of TNG in a similar fashion. I never liked the character, but I grew to hate her less, mostly because they downplayed the empath thing as time went on.

I thought the second episode was so-so too, but I did dig the fact that they actually put on space suits - sort of a nice change of pace from prior series, when you could almost forget they were in, well, space.

Posted by cnegrad on 10-11-2001 12:11 PM:

Episode 3 sucked...

Greetings,

Ok, I watched the 3rd episode last night, and it completely sucked. They wasted an entire hour on Vulcan-Human racism? In the end, Tucker learned tolerance, but T'Pol learned absolutely nothing; and she is the biggest problem with this show (besides lackluster scripts).

As far as realism goes, I don't think any captain would tolerate the amount of crap that T'Pol dishes out. She questions and second-guesses every single word that comes out of Archer's mouth, and it's getting really tired now.

I don't think I've ever been more dissapointed with a Star Trek series. I hope they can improve, because last night was a complete waste of time.

My two cents...

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Posted by BertBert on 10-11-2001 01:09 PM:

I am enjoying the series so far. The worst thing is having to watch the commercials for other UPN shows -- is UPN the last resort for TV programming or what? Public Access cable looks like Masterpiece Theatre compared to some of that stuff.

I have liked all the ST series to varying degrees, but the one thing I never did like on any of them was just how WELL everything worked. The society was utopian to the hilt; everyone was perfectly competent; all the technology worked perfectly unless tampered with; and so on. When the Maquis were involved in Voyager, I thought it added a nice twist -- a group of Earth people who did not go along with the whole Federation idea. A little bit of dissent did wonders for the show. I just have a hard time believing that a sufficient amount of time and technological advancement would root out basic human fallibility like Gene Rodenberry seemed to think it would.

So with Enterprise the thing I enjoy most is how imperfect everything is. The transporters don't work right (re: the away team member who got blowing leaves embedded into his skin in episode 3!). Humans and Vulcans don't necessarily like each other. They have to dock shuttlecraft -- heck, they have to use shuttlecraft -- and make their own food (no replicators). The crew members have human failings, misgivings, and mixed motives about being in space. Despite some of the "inconsistencies" folks here have pointed out I think this series is more consistent with the way things probably would have gone in the history of the Federation in human terms.

Thumbs up!

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Posted by cyberry on 10-17-2001 05:31 AM:

re jh's comment:

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I'm surprised no one mentioned that Klingons in TOS looked like people, but here they are STNG like. There were monetary problems during TOS that prevented them from using fancy makeup, but when Worf talked in the DS9 ep about the tribbles it made it seem like Klingons were supposed to look like humans back then. ****

i noticed this too. but then it occurred to me that maybe what we saw in TNG (and now see in Enterprise) is the "real" appearance of the Klingons. then, the TOS appearance was the aberration, and not the TNG appearance. (maybe there was a genetic mutation which was recessive and eventually disappeared. or maybe the klingons - with the help of some more scientific race! - discovered a cure to the genetic mutation which caused the TOS appearance.)

of course, i'm just covering for the makeup problems. but it's a credible explanation. actually, i wish that they had made the Klingons look like the TOS version - heck, it's not like non-trekkies would care......

Posted by Rob on 10-17-2001 07:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by lennonhead
Completely agree about Hoshi! She was the *one* thing, the only aspect of the pilot I didn't like

quote:
Originally posted by cnegrad
As far as realism goes, I don't think any captain would tolerate the amount of crap that T'Pol dishes out. She questions and second-guesses every single word that comes out of Archer's mouth, and it's getting really tired now.

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Originally posted by BertBert
So with Enterprise the thing I enjoy most is how imperfect everything is
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The crew members have human failings, misgivings, and mixed motives about being in space.

I agree with BertBert -- I think the imperfection is a nice change of pace from recent Star Trek series. Consider the difficulty of staffing the first starship to explore 'deep' space -- sure, you could fill it with a bunch of military veterans that were cool under fire, but could they repair a top-of-the-line warp-5-capable engine, speak Vulcan and Klingon, or perform exobiological analyses? I think it's realistic that they would have to make some concessions in terms of experience and battle-tested discipline in order to get the best experts in these new fields they thought would be necessary for deep space missions. If you just picked the top math, science, engineering, and linguistic academics of today and put them in similar situations, even with a few years of military training, I doubt they would do all that well off the bat. I think the crew having to overcome their own human limitations, fears, prejudices, etc. is a welcome addition to the standard alien-misunderstanding-of-the-week episode. Heck, we may even see some real character development in this series!

Posted by Soul Raven on 10-17-2001 02:28 PM:

I know that I am probably just bein brainwashed, but I don't mind the opening credits with that cheesy song anymore (and "The Phantom Menace" was a great movie, trust George, he knows what he's doing). It gives me the same feeling, to an extent, that I had the first time I saw "Contact". Yes, the music is not traditional "Trek" fare, but it helps me feel that this is [b]us[/u]. Earthlings, taking to space. I think it matches the imagery well. Maybe it has to do with the fact that this is just "Enterprise", and not "Star Trek: Enterprise".

Also, have you noticed how they refer to the ship in the show? It's always "get back to Enterprise", not "get back to the Enterprise". Not just the crew, but everyone on the show, even the Suliban guy interrogating Klaang. Any Navy people around? Is this a standard practice or does it even matter?

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