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Posted by cnegrad on 12-30-2000 11:39 PM:

Greetings,

Any word if a Kodak PalmPix Springboard is anything more than wishful thinking?

If they come up with one, I'll be first on the waiting list.

Just keeping the idea alive...........

Happy Holidays,
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Posted by Vinced on 01-11-2001 11:06 AM:

Here is the response I got from Kodak :

No, we have no plans to develop a version for the Handspring Visor at this time. We apologize for any inconvenience.

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Posted by dpdamour on 01-12-2001 04:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Vinced
Here is the response I got from Kodak :

No, we have no plans to develop a version for the Handspring Visor at this time. We apologize for any inconvenience.

I recieved a similiar response to my query in June 2000. When did you get your response?

=Dave=

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Posted by bkbk on 01-12-2001 05:21 AM:

Sad that HS, EM, nor anyone else, seems to be interested in improving the lot of those of us who are into digigal imaging ... esp. in light of all the PktPC devices now or soon to support much higher quality than the sole Visor solution, the EM, now affords us...

That new Palmax sure looks great...

Posted by Hoser_back_home on 01-12-2001 01:32 PM:

maybe you are wording your question wrong. i think it would be financially better for Kodak to modify the current PalmPix so that the connector works on a visor.

if you ask me, i'd rather have a camera that attaches to the bottom connector on my visor than a springboard module. That way i can keep a module in the visor and snap on the 'visorPix' for a quick picture!

So their reply may be correct 'Not producing a SPRINGBOARD PalmPix'. However, perhaps we should be asking if they intend on modifying the connector for the visor on the current PalmPix.

Could this be done at home? My friend has some extra connectors he ordered during the CF card do-it-yourselfer project. Would it be possible to take out the connector from the palmPix and install a visor compatible connector???

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Posted by hcw3 on 01-12-2001 02:36 PM:

I like this idea....

Hoser,

Great idea! Kodak already makes an adapter so you can use the palmpix with the Palm V series called the Dock V. It retails for $29.95. I wonder if you could just rewire the adapter. I sent off an email to Kodak asking if they would consider making an adapter for the handspring, well see how they respond. Anybody good with hardware that wants to try to rewire the Dock V?

hcw3

[Edited by hcw3 on 01-12-2001 at 09:55 AM]

Posted by Vinced on 01-12-2001 02:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dpdamour
quote:
Originally posted by Vinced
Here is the response I got from Kodak :

No, we have no plans to develop a version for the Handspring Visor at this time. We apologize for any inconvenience.

I recieved a similiar response to my query in June 2000. When did you get your response?

=Dave=

Last week.

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Posted by Hoser_back_home on 01-12-2001 08:10 PM:

Re: I like this idea....

quote:
Originally posted by hcw3
Hoser,

Great idea! Kodak already makes an adapter so you can use the palmpix with the Palm V series called the Dock V. It retails for $29.95. I wonder if you could just rewire the adapter. I sent off an email to Kodak asking if they would consider making an adapter for the handspring, well see how they respond. Anybody good with hardware that wants to try to rewire the Dock V?

hcw3

[Edited by hcw3 on 01-12-2001 at 09:55 AM]

if a technically smart person out there could draw me a simple diagram showing which pin on a palm connector corresponds to the pin on a visor connector, i think i just might do this!

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Posted by Nhatman on 01-13-2001 12:30 AM:

the SMaL digital camera is just a little bigger than a springboard module and is 640 x 480. so how tough can it be for the folks at eyemodule to put out something with a little more resolution??

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0101/0...2smalcamera.asp

http://people.ne.mediaone.net/cades...l/products.html

[Edited by Nhatman on 01-12-2001 at 07:33 PM]

Posted by MarkEagle on 01-13-2001 03:11 AM:

Re: Re: I like this idea....

quote:
Originally posted by Hoser_in_USA
if a technically smart person out there could draw me a simple diagram showing which pin on a palm connector corresponds to the pin on a visor connector, i think i just might do this!

I wouldn't call myself technically smart

but I might research this to see if it's possible as well.

There's some Hardware Connection Diagrams over at Palm's Hardware site. They show the signals for each pin. The problem I see with making an adapter is whether or not the PalmPix uses any of the control lines (RTS, CTS, or DTR). If it does, I don't think an adapter is possible because the Visor doesn't have these signals. Also, I believe that the Palm interface is true RS232 while the Visor uses TTL so a converter circuit would be needed as well (ala ATL or Mark/Space serial cables).

Basically, the pinouts are as follows:

code:
Palm III       Visor
--------------------
 1 DTR ------> n/a
 2 +3.3vdc --> n/a
 3 RD -------> 1
 4 RTS ------> n/a
 5 TD -------> 8
 6 CTS ------> n/a
 7 GPI1 -----> n/a (HS1 ?)
 8 GPI2 -----> n/a (KBD ?)
 9 unused ---> n/a
10 GND ------> 4

The other problem I see is finding the correct Palm connector. You'll need to find a source for the one that is in the device itself as opposed to the one at the end of a cable.

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Posted by bkbk on 01-13-2001 05:03 PM:

A lot of good ideas in this thread - more power to all to bring 'em to fruition.
I don't know what's wrong w/Block / Ideo - maybe they didn't make enough money 1st time around w/their poor product, and they got dissuaded.

PalmPix, or almost anything else, is better resolution.

I noticed a great stat on the credit-card sized camera w/MM Card ability:

Shutter Speed 1/10 to 1/1000 sec...

...which was just another flaw w/EyeModule.

Did I miss the price? I don't believe it's posted. Par for the course. Can't wait to see one in my local store, though. They talk up the res., but I didn't see anywhere I could click on demo photos. Maybe they'll put up a link in the near future.

Posted by bkbk on 01-13-2001 07:08 PM:

Hey, did everybody see this?...

Okay, okay -- I guess I owe 'em a *BIT* of an apology...

Attach Images to Address Book Contacts on a Handspring� Visor
New, Free eyecontact� Software Application Now Available

(Palo Alto, Calif., Dec. 18, 2000) --- Handspring� Visor� users can now match a face with a name using the new, free eyecontact� software application for use with the eyemodule� digital camera. Created by the eyemodule development team, eyecontact works with an eyemodule user's existing address book to attach photos to individual entries. The eyecontact software is now posted at http://www.eyemodule.com as a free download.

Posted by Hoser_back_home on 01-15-2001 01:42 PM:

you know, bkbk, at first i thought the EyeContact thing was a neat idea. But after thinking about it, i'm not sure i want to ask people if it's alright to take their picture when i'm putting their info in my visor.

I can see friends and family members agreeing, but business associates, possible customers you meet at conferences??? hmmmm...

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Posted by DBrown on 01-15-2001 04:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoser_in_USA
you know, bkbk, at first i thought the EyeContact thing was a neat idea. But after thinking about it, i'm not sure i want to ask people if it's alright to take their picture when i'm putting their info in my visor.

I can see friends and family members agreeing, but business associates, possible customers you meet at conferences??? hmmmm...

Uhm...Why do they have to know you took a picture of them? It's not like you point anything that looks like a standard camera at them.

OK, I know it would be better if every picture you have is set up in good light, and of a willing model who dressed up for the occasion. But I don't think you need a special permission or consent to just take someone's picture. Of course if you will be publishing those pictures in PentHouse later, it might be wise to get the victim (model) to sign that consent form.

My EyeModule is (should be) arriving today. Tomorrow I'm requiring each of my (18) freshmen college students to pose so that I can add their picture into my address book. The goal is to give me a means to associate their names with their faces much quicker than I usually do. Since I often have discussions about certain students with other faculty, it will be a means to ensure that we both are talking about the same student. I'll show them my address book entry, with name AND picture.

Speaking of good picture taking, I think the Visor need a tripod mount socket on it. Perhaps this could be on the eyemodule springboard itself. A remote shutter (take a picture) button would be nice too. I'd like to see a "new" eyemodule that has a pivoting lens. Sometimes you'll want to hold the Visor/camera at EYE level. It's very hard to watch the screen and take a straight-ahead picture with the visor at or above your eye level. Most pictures I see are belly or chest level shots.

Lastly, I want the price to come down. I DID get mine for $70ish with help from the $50 rebate and a $30 coupon. I just think that $70-$80 ought to be the MSRP to begin with, so EVERYONE would get an Eyemodule. When everyone has one, we're sure to see some more applications for them.

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Posted by hcw3 on 01-17-2001 03:25 PM:

Kodak

I haven't got a response from Kodak on whether or not they were/are/had considered doing and adapter for the palm pix, but the email adress I used may not have gone to the right place. What email address did those of you who got responses use?

hcw3

Posted by Vinced on 01-17-2001 05:45 PM:

Re: Kodak

quote:
Originally posted by hcw3
I haven't got a response from Kodak on whether or not they were/are/had considered doing and adapter for the palm pix, but the email adress I used may not have gone to the right place. What email address did those of you who got responses use?

hcw3

I went directly to their site.

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Posted by bkbk on 01-21-2001 03:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by DBrown
Originally posted by Hoser_in_USA
You know, bkbk, at first i thought the EyeContact thing was a neat idea. But <snip>, i'm not sure i want to ask people <snip>
I can see <snip> agreeing, but business <snip> at conferences??? hmmmm...
Uhm...Why do they have to know <snip> ? It's not <snip> like a standard camera at them.
OK, I know it would be better if <snip> consent form.
My EyeModule is (should be) arriving today. <snip> (18) <snip> students <snip> picture into my address book. <snip> names with their faces much quicker
<snip> with other faculty, <snip> talking about the same student.
<snip>
<snip>I think the Visor need a tripod mount <snip> on the eyemodule springboard itself. A remote shutter (take a picture) button would be nice too. I'd like to see a "new" eyemodule that has a pivoting lens.
<snip> Lastly, I want the price to come down. I DID get mine for $70ish with help from the $50 rebate and a $30 coupon. I just think that $70-$80 ought to be the MSRP to begin with, so EVERYONE would get an Eyemodule. When everyone has one, we're sure to see some more applications for them.
Dave

I concur w/both you guys, on virtually all that's here.
Can't always get a pose / don't always want them to know (esp. if you're a contract worker, taking Bill Gates' psnl. asst.'s photo, or something), etc.

Just wanted to be sure to remind Dave that there's a TIMER in the E.M.'s software; it's not quite a "distance-shutter-snapper," but does nicely.

AND ONE MORE TIME FROM ME VOTING FOR E.M. RECORDING VIDEO, TOO, IDEO / BLOCK.

[Edited by bkbk on 01-21-2001 at 10:54 AM]

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