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Posted by ToolkiT on 04-27-2003 04:09 AM:

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Originally posted by BobbyMike

Is it? Or could it be the way you've been raised? My son Crispin, 7 years, found $11 on the ground at a rest stop in Tenn., last month while we're on vacation. Did he "think about keeping it"? No. Without hesitation he took it to the help desk and told them the story and handed over the loot. They took his name and address and told him he would get it if no one came back for it.

He's been raised that if something is not yours and you take it, it's stealing. As Christians that's one of the big no nos. I was glad he chose (without any prompting) to do what was right.

See italics... maybe you allready answered the question yourself...

I think kids are still pure because they dont have to work for a living yet.. Once you need to be selfsufficient I think the instict to survive is more clear..
If we didn't need anything to survive I guess we wouldnt have those thoughts...
Never underestimate primal instincts.. Man can look very civilized but underneat that appearance is still an animal with insticts just like any other animal..

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Posted by MarkEagle on 04-27-2003 06:09 AM:

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Originally posted by ToolkiT
Never underestimate primal instincts.. Man can look very civilized but underneat that appearance is still an animal with insticts just like any other animal..

Primal instincts have nothing to do with it. Animals don't "steal". They don't know right from wrong (puppies excluded

). With the ability to think and reason, humans have to make a conscious decision to "cross the line". It has more to do with one's moral fiber and upbringing than anything else.

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Posted by ToolkiT on 04-27-2003 06:16 AM:

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Originally posted by MarkEagle
Primal instincts have nothing to do with it. Animals don't "steal". They don't know right from wrong (puppies excluded ). With the ability to think and reason, humans have to make a conscious decision to "cross the line". It has more to do with one's moral fiber and upbringing than anything else.

Actually animals do steal... bigger animals steal food from smaller ones all the time..
They dont have a concept of right and wrong, just about who gets the food or gets to mate...

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Posted by K. Cannon on 04-27-2003 01:48 PM:

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Originally posted by Toby
Hehe, I might've said the same about lawyers, but I don't want to get on K's bad side.

If someone falls asleep on me, it's less due to anethesia and more do to "exciting" nature of construction law...

Posted by K. Cannon on 04-27-2003 02:04 PM:

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Originally posted by yardie
Actually I think its human nature to do what some of the troops did.

I think it was human nature to *think about* doing what they did. Not necessarily to follow through with it.

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They will never see that much amount if money in theri lifetime again.

This is an assumption, although most likely an accurate one. Especially since now they won't have the opportunity to find any more cash stashes...

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Greed really drives us.

I think *instant gratification* also drives society these days. Hence, millions spent on lottery tickets; Increased BS lawsuits; Credit cards debt out the wazoo. No one is willing to wait and work for things anymore. (This is one of my favorite soap box topics...)

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A lot of us who are spewing condemnation would be tempted as well.

Given that I was the one who referenced a definition, I am guessing that you think I am "spewing condemnation." Well, didn't mean to spew. Maybe I meant to ooze condemnation...

Anyway, the point is that BEING TEMPTED to take cash is one thing. Actually going through with the plan is STEALING.

BEING TEMPTED to have an affair is one thing. Actually doing it is ADULTERY.

See what I'm trying to say? Sure, everyone would have taken a second look at that cash, but the fact that everyone would have thought about it doesn't mean it was okay to do it.

Also, please don't misunderstand and think I am judging those PEOPLE one way or another. I believe their ACTIONS were wrong--if I or BobbyMike or you had done it, it would still have been stealing and (therefore) wrong, although I'd still luv ya!!

We're talking about 12 million and "who will guard the guardians" not a loaf of bread and Jean Valjean...

Posted by Yorick on 04-28-2003 01:01 AM:

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Originally posted by K. Cannon

If someone falls asleep on me

and what does your husband think of that?

lead me not into temptation ...

Posted by K. Cannon on 04-28-2003 03:27 PM:

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Originally posted by Yorick
and what does your husband think of that?

Well, I am a *professional*

If you suffer from insomnia, one of my deposition transcripts will provide the cure!

Posted by jhappel on 04-28-2003 08:54 PM:

K. Cannon said:

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BEING TEMPTED to have an affair is one thing. Actually doing it is ADULTERY.

I beg to differ with you on this, It is only adultery if at least one of the parties is married to some one else. And then it is only adultery for the married person.

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Posted by KRamsauer on 04-28-2003 09:26 PM:

I just pulled a definition:
voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband;

Seems like it is the act, not the relation of the act to the person, which is adultery.

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Posted by MarkEagle on 04-28-2003 11:20 PM:

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
Seems like it is the act, not the relation of the act to the person, which is adultery.

Thou shalt not covet...

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Posted by KRamsauer on 04-28-2003 11:29 PM:

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Originally posted by MarkEagle
Thou shalt not covet...

Huh?

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Posted by ToolkiT on 04-29-2003 12:32 AM:

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
Huh?

Couldnt have said it better...

Can you translate in english mark?

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Posted by MarkEagle on 04-29-2003 02:01 AM:

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
Huh?

Geez... with all the religious posts around here, I didn't think I needed to spell it out.

#10 from the King James bible:
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor�s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor�s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor�s.

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Posted by KRamsauer on 04-29-2003 03:20 AM:

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Originally posted by MarkEagle
Geez... with all the religious posts around here, I didn't think I needed to spell it out.

#10 from the King James bible:
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor�s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor�s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor�s.

Right (give me a little credit.....), but what did that have to do with my post? Or did it have nothing? I was pointing out a definition and you were saying it was wrong...

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Posted by ToolkiT on 04-29-2003 04:15 AM:

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Originally posted by MarkEagle
nor his ass, . [/B]

Ah is this why the church is against homosexuality?

Just kidding.. just kidding..

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Posted by whiteytech on 04-29-2003 04:32 AM:

Stealing

This so simple......Those GIs stole the money. Jail time is next for them!

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Posted by MarkEagle on 04-29-2003 11:37 AM:

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
...what did that have to do with my post? Or did it have nothing? I was pointing out a definition and you were saying it was wrong...

It was just offered as another alternative to what you had said. I can't seem to figure out how you thought I was saying you were wrong.

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Posted by KRamsauer on 04-29-2003 04:26 PM:

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Originally posted by MarkEagle
It was just offered as another alternative to what you had said. I can't seem to figure out how you thought I was saying you were wrong.

You weren't. You were saying adultery was wrong.

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Posted by KRamsauer on 04-29-2003 04:26 PM:

Re: Stealing

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Originally posted by whiteytech
This so simple......Those GIs stole the money. Jail time is next for them!

Hopefully.

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Posted by K. Cannon on 04-29-2003 07:22 PM:

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Originally posted by jhappel
K. Cannon said:
I beg to differ with you on this, It is only adultery if at least one of the parties is married to some one else. And then it is only adultery for the married person.

I thought the use of "have an affair" carried the understood "...outside of marriage."

Re the second point, my statement was regarding the married person. Obviously, an unmarried person cannot commit adultery. They are "fornicating."

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