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Posted by JHromadka on 10-02-2001 06:14 PM:

Mac OS X 10.1

Anyone using it yet? I really like the DVD player (finally!) and the improved speed of launching applications. The new system toolbar is also nice as it saves space on the Dock. What do you think?

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Posted by bradhaak on 10-02-2001 07:55 PM:

I've been using it in various incarnations for about six months as it evolved and so the differences don't jump out at me as much as when I use a 10.0 system. Then i see how great OSX 10.1 is. I've been using the release build for about three weeks and it just gets better.

BTW - here are a couple of extra tricks that I haven't seen anywhere on-line yet.

Option clicking on an app in the dock hides the current foreground app and brings the app clicked on to the front.

Option-command click hides all other apps but the one you clicked on.

Posted by lennonhead on 10-02-2001 10:52 PM:

It's great! Just installed it on my 400MHz G4 and I'm watching "The Big Lebowski" DVD while surfing the net right now! No skips and the rest of it is so fast too. Wow! I'm very impressed with the improvement over 10.0.4, I could use this as my full time OS if all of my apps were available.

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Posted by dick-richardson on 10-02-2001 10:57 PM:

I wasn't intending to upgrade, but am reconsidering. To be honest, it hinges on the functionality included in Palm Desktop. If mail is integrated tightly and private records are honored, I will probably own it by the end of the year. Otherwise, I will wait indefinitely (when the functionality of 9.X becomes insufficient).

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Posted by bradhaak on 10-03-2001 12:19 AM:

After spending most of the last decade on Linux, UNIX, and Win NT, the functionality of OS9 has always been insufficient.

Seriously, I would recommend getting it and running the upgrade. You still have a full version of OS9 that you can boot into for any really weird apps. But virtually everything that I have tried except for games runs in Classic mode. As a matter of fact with a few caveats that are documented on the Palm website, you can HotSynch in Classic mode.

Posted by dick-richardson on 10-03-2001 03:03 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by bradhaak
After spending most of the last decade on Linux, UNIX, and Win NT, the functionality of OS9 has always been insufficient.

I take exception to Win NT, but we don't need to go there.

You do bring up some compelling thoughts. Now I merely need to ascertain cost vs. time-in-Classic mode.

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Posted by JHromadka on 10-03-2001 03:55 AM:

The one thing that I miss from 10.0 is that clicking on the Finder icon doesn't open a new window anymore; you have to press apple-N now.

I am sooooo happy that the Fn+delete or arrow keys works correctly now on my TiBook. Not everyone uses a full keyboard!

Josh, you should really give OS X a shot. Much nicer than 9 and you can play with the *nix side of things too.

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Posted by homer on 10-03-2001 05:11 AM:

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I could use this as my full time OS if all of my apps were available.

No kidding! When in the hell are these companies going to realize that MacOSX is a success and that we are ALL DESPERATELY WAITING FOR THEM TO UPGRADE THEIR APPS!

Ugh. Had to vent. I spend 6 hours the other day on a Flash presentation and Flash must have crashed my system 12 times. I can't believe they releases such a buggy piece of software. I REALLY wished that they would have had an OSX version so at the very least I wouldn't of had to reboot my system every half hour.

I'm hoping to get the upgrade to 10.1 running tonight...we'll see what happens!

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Posted by lennonhead on 10-03-2001 07:54 PM:

In all fairness I found 10.0.4 to be a bit too sluggish and preferred OS 9 over it, so it is really only now with 10.1 that I'd use OSX as my full time OS. However that isn't an excuse for these software companies, OSX has been out for a year now if you count the public beta, and I'm sure developers had access to it a while before that.

I played the Return to Castle Wolfenstien MP demo last night. Seemed to run fairly well considering I still have an old Rage 128 Pro. It looks like it will be a pretty fun game, but I like the fact that it is for OSX only more than anything else.

My only gripe about Apple's latest OS releases is all of the password protection. It annoys me to no end that every time I want to do something in OSX (install files, change settings etc.) I have to enter my password. When I updated to 9.2 it also had me set a system password. I think it defeats the purpose of having a secure password, since I just use the same thing for everything to make it easy on my brain. Now if by chance someone found out my pw for one thing, they could get into everything, yet I still have to waste my time entering the damn thing all over the place. Now that I said that, is there any way to turn that off? Hehe, that would be the simple answer, I'm not too OSX savvy yet.

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Posted by dick-richardson on 10-03-2001 10:49 PM:

A question: If I install OS X completely (no dual boot to OS 9.X), will everything installed and all my documents get imported into OS X - even if only through classic mode?

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Posted by bradhaak on 10-03-2001 11:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dick-richardson
A question: If I install OS X completely (no dual boot to OS 9.X), will everything installed and all my documents get imported into OS X - even if only through classic mode?

You have to have 9.21 installed to have classic at all. Classic isn't an emulation mode, it is actually running OS9 from within OSX. When you get OSx 10.1, it comes with a OS9.21 CD.

So the actual process is to upgrade your system to 9.21, then install OSX. They can be in the same partition, it doesn't matter. Personally, I have OS9 and OSX in separate partitions 'cause I tend to install lots of unstable and non-upgradeable versions of the OSX and frequently have to clean out the partition. This works out really cool, since we use NetInfo for the network and since that is how I log in, I keep all of my settings when I do clean installs of the OS.

But like I said before, you can install them both in the same partition and everything will be fine. This is actually the way that they come installed on new systems.

Posted by dick-richardson on 10-04-2001 02:25 AM:

I already have 9.21 installed

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Posted by bradhaak on 10-04-2001 04:46 PM:

See, you're halfway there.

Posted by JHromadka on 10-05-2001 04:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by dick-richardson
A question: If I install OS X completely (no dual boot to OS 9.X), will everything installed and all my documents get imported into OS X - even if only through classic mode?

There is no importing done. I had OS 9.1 when I bought 10, and I installed it on the same partition as 9. You can still run most of your OS 9 apps in classic mode (it boots up 9 then runs the app) or go get the X version if needed.

I ended up deleting most of my 9 apps (even the built-in Apple ones) and found X equivalents.

Geez Josh, you wanted a Linux box but you're wavering on 10.1?

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Posted by dick-richardson on 10-06-2001 07:33 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JHromadka
Geez Josh, you wanted a Linux box but you're wavering on 10.1?

Yes, well...er...um...you see...I've been...

Guess I'll start saving up.

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