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Posted by volcanopele on 12-16-2001 01:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by dampeoples

WHOA! Slow down.....
I'm just starting to learn the functions of the BASIC handspring calculator

I am in AP Calculus. I don't have the luxury of slowing down

Jason

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Posted by culo77 on 12-16-2001 02:32 AM:

Dangpeoples funny....for the basic calculator just push the equal button and you'll be ok.

I am going to reply to the original topic. Yes to many it does seem that most people are jumping ship to the clie. Butt just be aware that "us", (i mean buy "us" i mean the obsessed Pda people.) are a small group of people in the pda market. (butt the greastest people).
Yes I am jumping ship but not to the bandwagon Clie. Over to palm. Just like me most people i assume are just tired of waiting for HS to put out a new PDA, not just updated VDX and VPL. the only new Pda the have produced is the Edge back in Feb.
Yes the treo is out but its not for "us". Most of "us" need the expansion, in which the treo is missing.
Butt i still am staying with my Edge for a while cause i know with the speculation of a color Handera, the Clie T615, the Treo 180, the palm i705, and any other Clie that will be made next week, I know prices will come down on the M505 and the N610....

Untill then I am a faithful HS supporter (jockstrap )

Your are right it does seem people are Clie crazy, but aint it funny the no matter what you sellout HS for people just keep coming back to VISORCENTRAL

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Posted by DanaWheels on 12-16-2001 03:39 AM:

New Neo User

Two weeks ago, I bought a Visor Neo. I didn't even LOOK at a Sony Clie... I have a friend with a Visor Deluxe and I really liked it, especially with the Springboard slot. I bought a Neo because I wanted the 50% faster speed.

I'm VERY glad I bought the Neo... I've used it constantly (in other words, changing batteries every few days *sigh*), and wouldn't have another machine, even if someone showed me a PalmIIIc today. *grin*

Dana

Posted by Keefer Lucas on 12-16-2001 03:04 PM:

Still Crazy (VDX User)

I am tempted by the Visor Pro, but in all honesty my VDX continues to meet my needs. I recently dumped Noah Lite and picked up 2MB worth of space...never used the program anyway. The screen is high-res enough for my purposes, which is almost exclusively reading. Is my VDX fast enough? I am too naive to know.

My favorite module, now that I have tweaked it so it works reliably, is the OmniRemote. With all the talk of enhanced functionality of Clie's and other units, I am puzzled why integrated Ir remote isn't more highly touted. Its the one module that makes my friends go "cool!". I keep it in my VDX at all times.

I suppose integrated MP3 would be nice, but I am not sure that I would utilize it as much as it would at first seem. I bought an early MP3 player and it just sits in the glove compartment of my car.

Posted by volcanopele on 12-16-2001 03:51 PM:

Re: Still Crazy (VPL User)

quote:
Originally posted by Keefer Lucas
I am tempted by the Visor Pro, but in all honesty my VDX continues to meet my needs. I recently dumped Noah Lite and picked up 2MB worth of space...never used the program anyway. The screen is high-res enough for my purposes, which is almost exclusively reading. Is my VDX fast enough? I am too naive to know.

My favorite module, now that I have tweaked it so it works reliably, is the OmniRemote. With all the talk of enhanced functionality of Clie's and other units, I am puzzled why integrated Ir remote isn't more highly touted. Its the one module that makes my friends go "cool!". I keep it in my VDX at all times.

I suppose integrated MP3 would be nice, but I am not sure that I would utilize it as much as it would at first seem. I bought an early MP3 player and it just sits in the glove compartment of my car.

I agree. To be perfectly honest, I am quite happy with my Visor Platinum. Thats why I am not rushing out to the stores to pick up something new. It does what I need it to do. Battery power is alright, not perfect, but alright.

Thats brings up a very important point for me, battery life. Reading the first reviews of the T600 make me a little wary about its battery life. There is not an hour that goes by in the day in which I don't reference my VPL for something. There is not a day that goes by where I don't use my Stowaway, or backup to my memplug, search huge databases on my Memplug, or use my eyemodule2, all battery-intensive activities. The Pro's battery life intrigues me which is why it is now the new #2 as far as what my next PDA will be behind the Prism. Anotehr consideration is that by getting a Pro, I can keep all my VPL accessories.

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Posted by Techie2000 on 12-16-2001 04:29 PM:

Currently my Vdx suits my needs. If I need to upgrade, then I'll either wait for a Handspring Palm OS 5.0 Visor, or if there is enough software for the Zaurus...

Posted by foo fighter on 12-16-2001 11:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Barron
Sure, the Sonys have the novelty factor and I'm sure are nice little machines, but for my money, anything with the Springboard slot beats 'em hands down!!!

No offense, but that is purely a matter of opinion. Sony's marketshare is expanding every quarter, at the expense of Palm and Handspring. And Springboard is arguably a dying, obsolete, proprietary expansion format. It was a flop. The modules were far too expensive, and consumers turned their noses up at them. Today, many third party module makers have gone bankrupt, and the long list of available modules has slowly shrunk. I don't see SB as a bright spot. In fact, even Handspring has backed away from its once hyped creation. The recently reduced Visor Edge no longer ships with the SB backpack, and the new Treo lacks a slot as well.

Handspring has yet to turn a profit, and they are still bleeding red ink. I'm not very enthusiastic over the company's prospects. I have my doubts whether or not they will still be around in 2 years.

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Posted by AzNCoMpUtAnErD on 12-17-2001 01:51 AM:

You guys can say whatever you want about Sony's "stuff" to be a novelty, however, you guys should get out more often, and check it out. Sony has ALL that "stuff" and yet their prices are the same as Palm and Handspring, like I said before. If you wanted to upgrade to color, would you get a Prism or 610C? If you wanted to buy a new PDA, would you get a S320 or Neo or m125? Unless you went for a Visor Deluxe. I'm just saying, you guys are getting suckered bad. You can get all the Sony "stuff" for the same price you can get all that Handspring and Palm "stuff."

As for springboards, yes, they are dying. So you want MP3, buy a $150 module, that you can only use by itself. I got a 64 MB MS for $55 to do the same. And it comes with a remote control, . Can you add a high-res module? A jog-dial module? A module that makes all sound come out of some headphones? Handspring is great, but they won't last long like this.

Though, all in all, you buy a PDA to suit YOUR needs. Whatever suits you is great. But think if you could have gotten a little "extra" for the same price you paid, wouldnt that be great? I'm gonna be using a Visor Edge, and I must say I love how it looks, over any PDA out there. It'll suit my needs, but I wish I could still have my 710+. I'll wait for the T600, and go back to Sony, . Sony has great products, stop saying they're a novelty, and trying buying one and using one. I mean, Sony is soon gonna be the only one making PalmOS devices, so you'll have to come over eventually...

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Posted by Gameboy70 on 12-17-2001 04:18 AM:

foo fighter wrote:

The recently reduced Visor Edge no longer ships with the SB backpack

According to Handspring's site, the backpack ships with the Edge.

Handspring has yet to turn a profit, and they are still bleeding red ink. I'm not very enthusiastic over the company's prospects. I have my doubts whether or not they will still be around in 2 years.

Handspring's a small company (unlike Sony or Microsoft), which began with 40 employees and no manufacturing infrastructure. If the company went out of business, that wouldn't necessarily reflect the quality of its products, any more than Amazon's imminent demise would reflect the quality of its customer service. As always, cash in must exceed cash out.

I'll be getting a Treo, not to replace my PDA (I don't use one), but to replace my phone. Until Sony releases an equivalent product, I'll stick with Handspring.

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Posted by Barron on 12-17-2001 06:24 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GSR13

Exactly what part of the CLIE is considered a Novelty?

Built-in Memory expansion?
HiRes Reflective Color Screen?
Built-in MP3?
Scroll Wheel/BackButton?
Newer OS with VFS Support?
Ability to Mount MemoryStick as Drive on PC?

Just in case you had forgotten what novelty means, Webster's dictionary defines it as "something new or unusual". I would say that most of your list falls along those lines.

My Neo has all the "memory expansion" I need with the ability to add memory springboards or use CF cards. I also have a selection of MP3 add-ons if I wish to use them (though I prefer a separate MP3 player). The scroll wheel doesn't excite me. VFS and mounting MS as another drive? Remember, we're talking about PDAs here! My visor is NOT a peripheral for my computer nor do I want it to be! If I want a computer, then I'll use my laptop. (However, I would like the hi-res color screen <g>.)

The thing that scares me about many of these OS "enhancements" is that they're turning the Palm PDA into a PocketPC. Personally, I don't want another microsoft wannabe. I like the Palm Way!

I have nothing against Sony or the CLIE units and am glad that they are out there. Competition is good and with Sony keeping the ball moving, perhaps we'll see more innovation from Handspring and Palm.

The Sony novelty <g> isn't worth the extra money to me and as I mentioned in my earlier post, I love the Springboard slot and everything I can do with it!

Barron

Posted by GSR13 on 12-17-2001 06:42 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Barron

Just in case you had forgotten what novelty means, Webster's dictionary defines it as "something new or unusual". I would say that most of your list falls along those lines.

My Neo has all the "memory expansion" I need with the ability to add memory springboards or use CF cards. I also have a selection of MP3 add-ons if I wish to use them (though I prefer a separate MP3 player). The scroll wheel doesn't excite me. VFS and mounting MS as another drive? Remember, we're talking about PDAs here! My visor is NOT a peripheral for my computer nor do I want it to be! If I want a computer, then I'll use my laptop. (However, I would like the hi-res color screen <g>.)

The thing that scares me about many of these OS "enhancements" is that they're turning the Palm PDA into a PocketPC. Personally, I don't want another microsoft wannabe. I like the Palm Way!

I have nothing against Sony or the CLIE units and am glad that they are out there. Competition is good and with Sony keeping the ball moving, perhaps we'll see more innovation from Handspring and Palm.

The Sony novelty <g> isn't worth the extra money to me and as I mentioned in my earlier post, I love the Springboard slot and everything I can do with it!

Barron

It also means "a toy". Which is how I took it, apparently incorrectly. Though your original post seemed to indicate that is what you meant.

I use my PDA as an extension of my PC. That keeps me from having to carry my Laptop with me. The fact that I can mount a MemoryStick (while in the CLIE) as a drive makes it that much easier to move large documents, databases and MP3's directly to the card. That way I do not need a seperate reader to do so.

I agree with you on the PPC thing. What I really want is the PalmOS with PPC Hardware. That keeps the core items simple and allows the third-party developers more freedom. Then I have the option to pick and choose as I do now, but I have more powerful options.

As for Modules, the only SpringBoard module that I really found useful was the MemPlug. When I bought my Deluxe I had really high hopes, but the more I use my PDA the more my needs change.

I did not intend to come across as rude in my earlier post. I was just really curious how things I consider innovation you consider a toy. Had I known what defination you were using, it would have been much more clear.

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Posted by Keefer Lucas on 12-17-2001 01:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by foo fighter

And Springboard is arguably a dying, obsolete, proprietary expansion format. It was a flop.

I don't think its arguable. The Springboard was and is a flop. Fortunately the modules that were good should last indefinately, and with the new Visor Pro and Neo we have an upgrade path that will allow us to eek another year or two out of the modules we currently own. Which is all you should reasonably expect from an electronic device of this nature.

Posted by MarkEagle on 12-17-2001 02:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Keefer Lucas
The Springboard was and is a flop.

I don't necessarily agree with this. The Springboard theory is great. The flop came because Handspring chose to let the developer community do its own thing. They need to take charge and do more to encourage Springboard development. They need to assume a more active role in pushing the technology. At the moment, with the economy in the shape it's in, I don't think you'll see much module development unless Handspring gets behind it. They could private label modules and sell them under the HS name, benefitting themselves and the developers.

There are still a few basic modules that I think could be killers if only someone would produce them. Two that come to mind are a basic serial interface module (supporting both TTL and RS232) for connecting peripherals like GPS, cell phones, etc. The second is wired ethernet. Sure, wireless is gaining popularity, but how many users could use a wired module today?... I could've used one yesterday.

Most businesses are already wired... only a few are wireless.

Pushing the Springboard falls squarely on the shoulders of Handspring. If they support the technology, it can and will flourish. If they leave it to others, it will surely die.

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Posted by foo fighter on 12-17-2001 03:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkEagle
The flop came because Handspring chose to let the developer community do its own thing. They need to take charge and do more to encourage Springboard development. They need to assume a more active role in pushing the technology.

Actually, the flop was a result of the high price of the hardware itself. I saw this coming long ago. I said from the very beginning that consumers will never spend $250-$400 on a PDA, and then spend another $250-$400 for an add-on module. Many here disagreed with me. Well..it looks like I was right. Consumers voted with their wallets, and they gave SB a resounding "NO" vote.

Handspring is equally guilty. They were charging nearly $100 for an 8MB flash memory module at a time when you could buy a 32MB CF, MS, or MMC card for around $50. That is OUTRAGEOUS!!

The death of SB could prove to be a lethal blow to Handspring's credibility. If HS developed yet another open hardware spec now, it will become nearly impossible to get developer support, with the smell of Springboard's carcass still fresh in the air. This may be another reason why Hawkins is shifting his attention towards the phone/communicator market. In the long term, he is on the right track. I think the "all-in-one" solution is the future.

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Posted by Barron on 12-17-2001 04:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GSR13

It also means "a toy". Which is how I took it, apparently incorrectly. Though your original post seemed to indicate that is what you meant.

What I was referring to in my first post, was more a reference to people having the latest, newest thing. I think that many people are going with the CLIEs right now because Sony is the only one pushing out innovation on the Palm platform and many people want what is new. It is not that they need these things or even that they'll really use them, but they WANT them because they are new and perhaps, unique. I'm not saying that is a bad thing. I too, lust after the new electronics <g> but usually calm down a bit after I try them out (and check my bank account <g> ) and go for what is most practical for me (Except for Bluetooth, I HAD to have it! And it's very cool!)

I hope that Handspring has not given up on the Springboard slot. In my opinion, it is the main reason to buy a Visor! I believe there is plenty of life in the platform. New modules continue to debut: Red-M's Bluetooth Springboard (Awesome! And hey, where's Sony's Bluetooth memory stick? <g> ), the CJMax, an automotive oscilloscope Springboard, and the Springcard, a Smartcard reader module.

I believe one of the reasons that the Springboard has such potential is because it is a platform that smaller companies can embrace and develop for. Because of it's form factor, prototype modules can easily be developed. Memory Sticks and Smart Media are so small that very specialized processes that are only really available to the big names in electronics can be used. Perhaps Sony will make all the Memory Stick peripherals that anyone could desire but I love the Springboard and the choices I have such as 2 different barcode reader modules (and yes, I do use one).

Thanks for reading,
Barron

Posted by BillC on 12-17-2001 06:42 PM:

sticking with Visor

I love my Prism and the SoundsGood and HandyPro modules. A friend of mine has a Sony and to me the addon capability of the Sony doesn't come close to that of the Handspring. The MP3 capability of the Sony is way oversold.

Can someone enlighten me about why so many people who have switched to Sony are hanging around VisorCentral and slamming Handspring? They obviously have a lot of free time on their hands.

Posted by AzNCoMpUtAnErD on 12-17-2001 06:49 PM:

After I wasn't able to get an iPAQ at the time of PPC launch, I wanted a Handspring Visor Deluxe. I thought they looked nice, and that the modules were great. I wanted an MP3 module and a few others. However, I started calculating the costs, and adding the module made the Visor cost almost as much as the iPAQ. Also, it added significant size and weight to the visor, making it just like an iPAQ. The concept is great, able to add what you want. But soon, all it's doing is making it the size and cost of a PPC. Though now the SoundsGood has come out, but it's still fairly expensive. The biggest thing killing springboard was its price. Adding it all up, it was just as expensive as buying a PPC, and you could only use one feature at a time. Some could argue this, but that's what I thought.

Hawkins thinking in the springboard was great, but it just didn't work. I think the treo will be great, but only for a handful of people. We'll have to see...

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Posted by AzNCoMpUtAnErD on 12-17-2001 06:58 PM:

Re: sticking with Visor

quote:
Originally posted by BillC
I love my Prism and the SoundsGood and HandyPro modules. A friend of mine has a Sony and to me the addon capability of the Sony doesn't come close to that of the Handspring. The MP3 capability of the Sony is way oversold.

Can someone enlighten me about why so many people who have switched to Sony are hanging around VisorCentral and slamming Handspring? They obviously have a lot of free time on their hands.

LOL, we're not slamming Handspring, just pointing out what's happening to them and the inevitable. Hmm...let's say your Prism cost you $300. The SoundsGood is what? $150? The GPS, probably over $200? Hmm, how much is that? $650!?!?

Okay, let's say you get a 710 for $350. Buy a 64 MB MS for $60, or 128 MB MS for $99. Then you can whoop out your remote and play your MP3s without even taking out your handheld. I dunno about battery life, but it's crazy on the clies. I was able to play MP3s for 6 hours and play games on it all at the same time. Can your Prism do that? The addon capability doesn't compare because you don't need to addon all that crap! It's already there! You can't buy a high-res module can you? A battery saver module? A make your Prism look better module? A make your Prism fit in your pocket module? That's why everyone is moving to Sony, it's clearly better and many times cheaper.

My Clie was stolen, and I'll be getting a Visor Edge. I love how it looks, but its features is nowhere near that of my 710+. I have nothing against Handspring, and if it still works for you guys, that's awesome. But Handspring better watch it, cuz you guys won't be supporting them when they die, will you? Unless you're willing to die with them? haha

We've got nothing against Visors, they're awesome pieces of equipment, but why use them when there's something better for the same price?

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Posted by culo77 on 12-17-2001 07:33 PM:

Wow people complain alot.

Please everyone sit back and just think.........I like the fact that there are PPC and Palm OS and many makers of each. I LIKE CHOICE!!!
I chose the palm OS cause that is what fits me. (plus its easier to navigate).
butt if my situation changes I like the fact i have an option to fit that situation.
I first bought a visor deluxe when it came out. New to pda's
Well it broke and my situation changed as well as my job and school classes. I would have went for a PPC but it didnt fit into my job, it fit for school, butt so did the Palm OS (still not as good as the PPC would at the time)
So i got the visor edge. it looks so cool

Now again my situation has changed..I need color and I NEED MORE THAN 8mb. AND look how many i can choose from. each with its great features and its bad. Its up to me to find which will fit my needs. so far it the M505, butt we will see if that will change by jan. 4

So quit the beetching between which is better and be thankfull that you have a decision. (well untill bill gates takes over the world.) "pinky and the brain"

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