VisorCentral.com - 16mb Flash Module from Hagiwara & Matchbookdrive

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Posted by mcginnj on 02-05-2001 01:52 AM:

Response from Hagiwara Sys-Com Co., Ltd

Hi all...

In response to my query to Hagiwara Sys about the U.S. availability of the 16mg flash module, I received this message:

"Thank you for contacting us.

Our 16MB Springboard Flash Module will be
available in the States through PalmGear very soon,
maybe within this week.

Please visit following web site.
http://www.palmgear.com

Its price will be around $140."

Yippee!
Jo

Posted by ethos on 02-05-2001 06:13 PM:

Re: Response from Hagiwara Sys-Com Co., Ltd

quote:
Originally posted by mcginnj
Yippee!
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YEEEEHAW!!!!

Posted by ByronC on 02-05-2001 11:38 PM:

16 MB Module on eBay

Hi All,
Someone is selling one of these on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAP...item=1212845625

Byron

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Posted by DocVisor on 02-06-2001 08:36 PM:

Today???

According to Palmgear, they should have them on their site today. I sent an email asking when the module would be available for purchase on their website. This is the text:

Any idea when the Hagiwara 16MB Flash Module will be available for order from your website?
________________________________________________________

------Original Message------
From: [email protected]
Sent: February 6, 2001 2:21:24 PM GMT
Subject: PalmGear H.Q. Support Form Response

Today! Check back around noon PST!

Regards,

Kenny West
PalmGear.com
http://www.palmgear.com/hs and http://www.palmgear.com
"The One Stop Source for your Palm OS Connected Organizer!"

and Handspring Visor Modules too!

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Posted by PDAENVY on 02-06-2001 08:59 PM:

It looks like thery are there now.

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Posted by ethos on 02-06-2001 10:30 PM:

I put my order in!!

Just finished ordering mine. Can't wait!!!

Posted by LTLBIGFOOT on 02-07-2001 10:03 PM:

how to back up 16 mb flash module ?

When using the 16 mg module can you back up all 24 mg's at one time or do you have to move applications around.

I don't know if when you hot sync it reads all the info or just some of it?
can someone please explain this to me?

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Posted by mcginnj on 02-07-2001 10:55 PM:

backing up the 16mb module

Hi...

My BackUpBuddy configuration manager has a place where I can check off "backup applications and data on expansion cards." Is the 16mb module considered an expansion card?

JO

Posted by DocVisor on 02-08-2001 12:12 AM:

Re: how to back up 16 mb flash module ?

quote:
Originally posted by LTLBIGFOOT
When using the 16 mg module can you back up all 24 mg's at one time or do you have to move applications around.

I don't know if when you hot sync it reads all the info or just some of it? can someone please explain this to me?

BackupBuddy v1.4 from BlueNomad Software http://www.bluenomad.com/ creates a directory within your Palm user directory called "BackupHscFlashModule" when the "Backup applications and data on expansions cards" option is checked.

When and if your Visor crashes beyond soft reset, you may load the information back on to the module indirectly. That is, you must first load it to the RAM in blocks of approximately 8mb (limit of internal RAM) and then move it back to the module. The current version does not write directly to the module.

It works without incident with the 16mb module and will copy all contents to the "BackupHscFlashModule" directory.

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Posted by Fat_Man on 02-08-2001 03:15 AM:

Just got the 16 module today

So far no major problems with the module. The 16mb module works exactly like the Handspring 8mb module. All of the application and data are running smoothly off the module. This module is just what I needed!!

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Posted by ByronC on 02-08-2001 08:41 PM:

Back Order at PalmGear

Hi All,
There is a "back order" for these 16 MB modules already from PalmGear. Business much be good today over there :^).

Byron

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Posted by DocVisor on 02-10-2001 05:46 PM:

May not be a good idea to top-off the module

Compacting... ... ... ... ...

While I experienced a similar problem with the 8mb module on a few occasions, I wanted to mention that it may not be wise to try to completely "fill up" the entire 15.8mb on the module. For the second time since I've owned the 16mb Flash Module, I tried to "fill up" the module with a small file (<50k) when I had about 200k left on the module only to have it freeze while "Compacting". This requires a soft reset and corrupts the module forcing a re-format. Thus, you lose everything on the module.

I have had better luck determining how much memory is left on the module and transferring the largest file last. Now I have <48k on the module and I am leaving well enough alone.

It is a time-consuming, battery-intensive and entirely no-fun process to restore files on your module (even with BackupBuddy) since it is a manual process. I am hopeful that the HotSync architecture will change enabling direct writes to the Flash Module via Hot Sync. But for now, beware the Compacting Demon with low memory left.

-Regards

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Posted by mcginnj on 02-10-2001 10:27 PM:

My new 16mb module

I got my new 16mb flash module today and love it. One small app called TopTwelve refuses to work with the module inserted... works just fine if it isn't inserted. When the module is inserted accessing TopTwelve crashes my Prism every time.

I don't understand what you mean, Doc, about having to reload your module everytime you crash. Maybe I don't understand what you mean by a soft reset. Isn't that when you insert the pin in the back of the handheld... or is that merely a reset and a soft reset is something else? I have crashed several times trying to get TopTwelve to work and have not had to reload anything on the module... even though I have had to restart my Prism with the pin.

I would appreciate it if you would clarify this for me.

Thanks,
Jo

Posted by purplemd on 02-10-2001 11:18 PM:

Re: My new 16mb module

quote:
Originally posted by mcginnj
I got my new 16mb flash module today and love it. One small app called TopTwelve refuses to work with the module inserted... works just fine if it isn't inserted. When the module is inserted accessing TopTwelve crashes my Prism every time.

I don't understand what you mean, Doc, about having to reload your module everytime you crash. Maybe I don't understand what you mean by a soft reset. Isn't that when you insert the pin in the back of the handheld... or is that merely a reset and a soft reset is something else? I have crashed several times trying to get TopTwelve to work and have not had to reload anything on the module... even though I have had to restart my Prism with the pin.

I would appreciate it if you would clarify this for me.

Thanks,
Jo

Once your Visor recovers from the soft reset, you'll get a nice message stating that your RAM module has been corrupted and you have to initialize it which will erase all your data.

Has anyone contacted Handspring to find out about this "compacting" thing? There should be a warning in the manual if you will lose everything if you try to install more than a certain amount of data on the module.

Purplemd...
Still lovin' the Prism

Posted by Fat_Man on 02-10-2001 11:23 PM:

compacting mishaps

To answer your question, this little glitch is not exclusive to the 16 mb module, the 8mb module has the same problem. What happen is that when the module approaches full memory capacity, it will initiate a compacting program. The compacting is much like the defrag. program in your desktop computer.

On rare occasions, the glitch results when the module comes close to full capacity <50kb or when you tried to move more kb's into the module than the module has room for. During the process of compactiing, the filemover will give a message saying that the module's memory is corrupted, which will require re-formatting. As a result, ALL the stored memory in the module is lost.

I have only encounter this glitch twice, both times is when I accidentially overloaded the 8 mb module. I have not encountered any problems with my 16 mb module yet. Last night, the module compacted for the first time without any problems.

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Posted by mcginnj on 02-11-2001 01:07 AM:

so far...

LOL.. so far I haven't received any "nice little message stating that my RAM module is corrupted" even though I have had to do several soft resets... must be I haven't brought myself to the attention of the handheld gremlins as yet. Can't wait.

Jo

Posted by DocVisor on 02-11-2001 01:18 AM:

Re: Compacting Demon

quote:
Originally posted by mcginnj
I don't understand what you mean, Doc...I would appreciate it if you would clarify this for me.

Thanks,
Jo

Hey Jo!
The previous few posts likely answered your question. The problem only arises when the amount of data nears the total capacity of the module. Any further attempt to transfer or copy data initiates the "Compacting" program.

I would add that the difficulty I experienced was more like Purplemd's and slightly different than Fat_Man's. I did not get an error message during compacting...it simply froze beyond the point at which I could turn off the Visor. Therefore, I needed to do a soft reset. After the Visor recovered, it immediately brought up a message stating the Module required reformatting.

In my experience, the above problem tends to happen only when I have less than around 200KB left on the module. Thus far, I have had 4 successful "Compacts" and 2 that resulted in a frozen Visor when less than 200KB was left.

Hope this helps.

-Regards

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Posted by Craig_L_S on 02-11-2001 03:06 AM:

Information -- Details on the difference...

between flash modules and back up modules. I am looking at getting one or the other possibly both. To avoid duplication I need additional information on both types of modules for the Visor. Any assistance in this matter is greatly appreciated.

Craig of the Handspring Tribe

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Posted by DocVisor on 02-11-2001 05:30 AM:

Re: Information -- Details

quote:
Originally posted by Craig_L_S
between flash modules and back up modules. I am looking at getting one or the other possibly both. To avoid duplication I need additional information on both types of modules for the Visor. Any assistance in this matter is greatly appreciated.

Craig of the Handspring Tribe

Craig,
The current memory module products include:

Hagiwara 8mb/16mb Flash Modules ($74.95/$139):
http://www.palmgear.com/hs/

Compact Flash MatchBookDrive ($35 w/o software or CF):
http://www.matchbookdrive.bizland.com/home/

Compact Flash InnoPocket ($28.95 w/software, w/o CF):
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp...PT&curr=USD

SmartMedia MemPlug ($49-$59 w/sofware, may include memory card):
http://www.memplug.com/product_info.html

Applications cannot run from MatchBookDrive, InnoPocket or MemPlug. They must be copied (which can take several seconds depending on size) to the Visor's internal RAM. Therefore, you must keep free space on the internal memory equal to the largest application or document you wish to "run" from these modules. MemPlug has built-in drivers that reside on Springboard. MatchBookDrive and (likely) InnoPocket drivers are loaded on Visor's RAM. The CompactFlash cards that can be used go up to 192mb. SmartMedia has a max of 128mb.

Applications can be run from both Hagiwara Flash Modules (16mb/8mb).

Hope this helps.

-Regards

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Posted by Beryl on 02-11-2001 04:21 PM:

Is there a way to load a 8 MB or 16 MB board without using Filemover?

I'm planning to upgrade to 16MB. I maintain a backup of my 8 MB board using BackupBuddy so I'd love to insert my new 16 MB board and load it up from my backup.

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