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Posted by dsaroff on 01-04-2003 12:11 AM:

Should Visorcentral merge with TreoCentral?

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE VC and the discussion groups. But with the relegation of the Visor to the dusty halls of neglected technology, the discussion level has decreased significantly. Merging and pruning/combining discussion within VC (e.g. combine platinum/NEO/Pro) in conjunction might restore some critical mass, allow us to browse a broader variety of news, and unite with our TC brethren (OK...maybe not). What do you think?

Posted by Yorick on 01-04-2003 12:28 AM:

No, VisorCentral should not merge with TreoCentral.

TreoCentral should merge with VisorCentral.

we were here first! nyah!

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Posted by Keefer Lucas on 01-05-2003 01:10 AM:

Vote with Your Feet

I'll vote to merge with TreoCentral when Handspring integrates a Springboard module on a Treo...or when Handspring finally releases a Treo, other than the 90, that will work in my area (no service plans cover my Zip).

Posted by EricG on 01-05-2003 06:33 AM:

Infact I think they should totally spin treocentral off, cut the cord, i.e. give it its own forums and stop sharing the visorcentral ones..

it's too dammed annoying to read treo posts when I could care less about the treo.. One of the things that I hate the most is to read a message in one of the shared forums only to have the message thread spin off subject into some treo centric chatter.. an utter waste of time for me..

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Posted by argent on 01-05-2003 11:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by EricG
Infact I think they should totally spin treocentral off, cut the cord, i.e. give it its own forums and stop sharing the visorcentral ones.

Indeed. There's not really any significant relationship between the Visor and the Treo. The distinguishing feature of the Visor is the Springboard slot. The distinguishing feature of the Treo is the thumbboard. Not only have they completely different designs and applications, they don't share a single accessory or peripheral in common.

I say if we're going to share these boards with another handheld, it should be the Handera. Otherwise, it'd be like sticking Corvette and Cadillac owners in the same discussion area just because the same company made their cars.

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Posted by Yorick on 01-06-2003 04:51 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by argent
Otherwise, it'd be like sticking Corvette and Cadillac owners in the same discussion area just because the same company made their cars.

what? Cadillac is made by Chevrolet now!? oh, the humanity!

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Posted by EricG on 01-06-2003 08:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by argent
I say if we're going to share these boards with another handheld, it should be the Handera.

Agreed!!

I would even go so far as to say the Sony Cli� has more right as a handheld to be here than the Treo does..

I would rather see Visorcentral incorporate the Sony Cli� and the Handera than the Treo.

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Posted by argent on 01-06-2003 11:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by EricG
I would even go so far as to say the Sony Cli� has more right as a handheld to be here than the Treo does..

Well, maybe the NX70, but not until Sony starts providing drivers for the CF slot.

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Posted by HindeR on 01-23-2003 03:47 PM:

There IS a significant relationship between the Visor and the Treo. It called Handspring. I used to go to the VC page to look for news, but there has not been any new news for well over a month. If you look at the TC page, you find all kinds of HS news. I even submitted news to the VC page once about the return of the Edge for a little while. There was nothing about it on the VC page, but there was a news article about it on the TC page (go figure!).

I suggest keeping the discussion boards separate, but merge the web pages containing news and reviews. When you think about the effort that goes into maintaining a web page, and then double it for separate VC and TC pages, it is no wonder that the VC page has been neglected lately. The VC/TC staff are overworked! Let's reduce their work load by suggesting and accepting a merged web page. Then we Visor users can get HS news without having to go to a separate TC web page.

Posted by argent on 01-23-2003 03:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HindeR
There IS a significant relationship between the Visor and the Treo. It called Handspring.

Doesn't make any more sense than merging Newton and Mac sites. The Treo is a cellphone (the 90 is a lame duck, and will soon be deader than the Visor), the Visor is a handheld computer. The only think they have in common is a company that's not going to last as long as the Visor user community.

quote:
When you think about the effort that goes into maintaining a web page, and then double it for separate VC and TC pages, it is no wonder that the VC page has been neglected lately.

That's a problem for them to solve. Building both pages from one database is a minor programming tweak, not something for us to have to deal with.

As a Newton owner, I could care less what Apple does. As a Visor owner, it's obvious that I'm in the same boat. The only remaining non-Visor news about Handspring that's worth reading for Visor users is the name of the cellphone company that finally acquires them.

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Posted by HindeR on 01-23-2003 04:00 PM:

Another thing to consider

There is a TreoCentral link on the VisorCentral page, but no link to VC from TC. Look at the lack of attention and updates that the VC page has received from the staff. Just as Handspring has abandoned Visor users, VisorCentral may be "put down" by the VC/TC staff if we don't tag along with Treo users.

Posted by argent on 01-23-2003 04:09 PM:

Re: Another thing to consider

quote:
Originally posted by HindeR
There is a TreoCentral link on the VisorCentral page, but no link to VC from TC. Look at the lack of attention and updates that the VC page has received from the staff. Just as Handspring has abandoned Visor users, VisorCentral may be "put down" by the VC/TC staff if we don't tag along with Treo users.

Merging with TreoCentral is being "put down".

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Posted by HindeR on 01-23-2003 04:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by argent
That's a problem for them to solve. Building both pages from one database is a minor programming tweak, not something for us to have to deal with.

Well the solution may be closing VC, especially considering the declining activity on the boards. Where will the Visor community go if VC is shut down? I am supporting a merger simply to keep these boards alive.

quote:
As a Newton owner, I could care less what Apple does. As a Visor owner, it's obvious that I'm in the same boat. The only remaining non-Visor news about Handspring that's worth reading for Visor users is the name of the cellphone company that finally acquires them.

Hehehe. You have a point about acquisition, but why would a Newton or Visor user not care about what the parent company is doing? There is also news about Visors that is not showing up on VC these days due to TC getting all of the staff's attention.

Posted by HindeR on 01-23-2003 04:16 PM:

Re: Re: Another thing to consider

quote:
Originally posted by argent
Merging with TreoCentral is being "put down".

I would not go that far. I see more as being adopted/rescued from the pound.

Posted by argent on 01-23-2003 04:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HindeR
Well the solution may be closing VC, especially considering the declining activity on the boards. Where will the Visor community go if VC is shut down?

Look, whether they shut down or merge VisorCentral isn't going to be decided by this discussion. I certainly don't expect them to keep it separate or active just because I'm a Visor user and not a Handspring user... I'm just expressing the opinion that if VisorCentral is merged with TreoCentral, then it's going to die anyway.

As to where we'd go: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Visor/ seems the most active.

quote:
Hehehe. You have a point about acquisition, but why would a Newton or Visor user not care about what the parent company is doing?

The Newton is an abandoned child. There's nothing that Apple does that can have any effect on the Newton community any more, and there hasn't been for a couple of years. And Apple is still a viable company.

quote:
There is also news about Visors that is not showing up on VC these days due to TC getting all of the staff's attention.

That sounds like a good reason to stage a takeover of another site's boards.

[Update: I just checked all the way back to the formation of TreoCentral and din't fine any misplaced Visor articles that didn't make it over here... where's the material you're talking about?]

quote:
I see more as being adopted/rescued from the pound.

Yeh, by a medical lab.

[But, hey, you could be right, and it'd be for the best. I won't hold my breath, but I won't argue about it any more either.]

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Posted by HindeR on 01-23-2003 04:34 PM:

Well thanks Argent. I would not call it arguing, but rather a delightful discussion.

I too have had enough and need to get back to work. I hope you have a great day! (a medical lab...Ha!)

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