VisorCentral.com - Memplug Vs. Innopocket??

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-- Memplug Vs. Innopocket?? (http://discussion.visorcentral.com/vcforum/showthread.php?threadid=13394)

Posted by Q-Won on 03-30-2001 04:19 AM:

CF adapter vs MemPlug

quote:
Originally posted by EricG
The big advantage the memplug has over the CF solutions is all the applications (including the backup/restore programs)are stored in FLASH memory on the springboard -- the memplug is a "true" springboard, so, for instance you have to hard reset your visor while you are on the road and away from your PC, well, it's pretty easy to restore from the smart media card with the memplug as the PiBackup program is on the springboard and you don't have to "hotsync" it back to be able to restore your visor... In my mind this is why the current CF springboards are not acceptable (no disrespect to Dave Kessler & KOPSIS - I really admire the work he has done)

The memplug is available now.. It's unknown how long it will be until the CF versions are around..

Also, (retail - not eBay) SmartMedia seems to be cheaper than compact flash megabyte per megabyte.

I also want to add PiBackup seems fairly quick, possibly quicker than my Handspring backup module.

Also, CspotRun allows you to read PDB (docs) directly from the card, no need to load them into the Visor's memory, again, this is available RIGHT NOW..! I have over 40mb of converted adobe acrobat PDF files (text only) loaded on my smart media card, the entire reference manuals for two relational database server products.. (very handy)

No, you can't run applications directly from the card -- well not yet anyway... No "flash" solution can yet..

The PiMover program is really nice too, I used it to move over 2mb of seldom used programs, pqa, and PDB files onto the smartmedia card, freeing up valuable Visor internal memory for other purposes.

One last thing, PiViewer lets you view your digital camera pictures on your Visor -- if your camera uses smartmedia (mine does, very handy for me), additionally you could copy any jpg image to the card and view it.

I would WITHOUT HESITATION vote for the memplug as the MODULE OF THE YEAR -- It's really nice, multi purpose, and inexpensive..

Any more questions?

Thanks for your detail info.

It sounds like MemPlug is the best memory solution for this moment. However, I would be happy to hear any news about new CF adapters from Kopsis. If no, the only choice may be MemPlug to me.

Q-Won

Posted by dkessler on 03-30-2001 03:40 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Flush is lush

quote:
Originally posted by yardie
I sure hope that I do not have to get a new module in order to use the new features. I am puzzled how you going to make the compact flash solution a TRUE springboard module.

Well, plug-and-play is going to require a new CF adapter module with built in linear flash (unless you have a home-built adapter and are really good with a soldering iron). Kopsis doesn't produce or sell any modules, so details like when it will be available, what it will cost, whether an "upgrade" path will be available, etc. are both unknown to me and totally out of our hands.

But keep in mind that plug-and-play is only really important if you are looking to use your CF adapter as your sole means of recovery from a hard-reset (i.e. without the use of a backup module). The FlashAdapter drivers and FAFileMover really take up very little RAM, so leaving them installed on your Visor so they are available whenever you want to use your CF module really isn't a big problem (unless of course your Visor gets wiped out). Plug-and-play adapters are also likely to be more expensive, so for user's looking for the most economical solution, the current CF adapters are a great way to go!

Aside from plug-and-play, the new CF enabled applications currently being developed will work with all existing and future FlashAdapter compatible modules.

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Posted by Nyktovus on 03-30-2001 09:02 PM:

Storage, media & expanded closetspace

I'm really excited to see what kopsis has planned so far we've seen some wicked tips from the inner workings of them, mainly I started this thread cause I wanted to expand my storage, & possibly the capabilites of my visor deluxe. the flush fitting innopocket (now with the tips of further softwre updates) sounds like the sweetest option of all, but my question to our advising insider is : Would I have to wait for the new PnP adapter.. or can I get the current innopocket now & update the software? whats the best plan of action mr. insider?
thanx 4 the tips, keep em comin.
Nykto.

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Posted by Q-Won on 03-31-2001 12:29 AM:

Feel disappointed

To be honest, I am really disappointed with these empty promises being given out by Kopsis. It real provides no info of the new CF Adapter and software.

After calculation, I find the owning cost of MemPlug comparing to having similar programs on CF adapters, CF adapters seem to be more expensive. Indeed not all of these programs are available right now and not being promised when it will be availiable. I feel I will go for MemPlug at this moment.

By the way, I hear that not all brand of CFs are supported by CF adapters. Is it true?

Q-Won

Posted by sigsteve on 03-31-2001 03:29 AM:

Memplug is 4 me!

I have used the MatchbookDrive since it came out and I'm very dissapointed with it, anyone want to buy mine?
I have ordered a Memplug.
I get fatal exceptions VERY often with the Matchbook and when I don't and transfer a file/program into RAM it is somehow corrupted and won't run!

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Posted by EricG on 03-31-2001 03:54 AM:

I just want to add that I feel Dave Kessler & Kopsis was responsible for, or at least getting things accelerated with, these springboard based "flash memory" storage device solutions in the Visor market.. I think if he hadn't done his work early on, we wouldn't have the choices we do today, or at least not for a some time to come..

I personally give him credit for accelerating this particular market..

Thanks Dave..

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Posted by hamiltondj on 03-31-2001 11:24 AM:

My thoughts...

I will second the notion that Kopsis really drove the market here.

That being said. I think you are looking at 2 different potential markets - one for CF & One for memplug.

If you just want external storage of your files, then CF may be the way to go. reading & writing to the cf card is a heck of alot faster than to memplug. But as mentioned, you won't be able to recover from a hard reset from the CF card.

On the other hand, memplug is a true springboard and you can recover from a hard reset. But, it is really slow to read/write off the card. The other added feature is the gMovie and CSpotRun capabilities. But, I dont see any reason why these programs couldnt be modified to read files from a CF card.

I own both and find that, for my uses, the CF adaptor is they way to go. I own a backup module, so recovery from a hard reset via the CF card is not a priority. What I want to do is store Doc files (Wordsmith doc format actually). the CF adaptor is the much better choice for this because of its speed. I edit these files constantly and in about 30 seconds I can do a backup to CF - memplug takes like 2-3 minutes

Posted by siewmeng_tan on 03-31-2001 12:14 PM:

Re: Re: Flush is lush

quote:
Originally posted by dkessler

Hang in there I'm not at liberty to discuss the details, but I can say that Kopsis is working with the CF adapter vendors as well as third-party software developers to give CF users the same kinds of capabilities that MemPlug users currently enjoy ... and more

Whoa Dave, I knew it! I knew it! With you spilling some "beans", I am definitely waiting now for what Kopsis have! Phew, was real close in putting in the order for memPlug. So, get it out quickly, Dave (and hopefully, I do not have to change my Innogear Adapter

)!

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Posted by EricG on 03-31-2001 05:31 PM:

Re: My thoughts...

quote:
Originally posted by hamiltondj
reading & writing to the cf card is a heck of alot faster than to memplug. But as mentioned, you won't be able to recover from a hard reset from the CF card.

On the other hand, memplug is a true springboard and you can recover from a hard reset. But, it is really slow to read/write off the card

Mine seems very fast, I am using Memorex SmartMedia, maybe they use the faster Hatachi controller chip.

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Posted by EricG on 03-31-2001 05:33 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Flush is lush

quote:
Originally posted by siewmeng_tan

Whoa Dave, I knew it! I knew it! With you spilling some "beans", I am definitely waiting now for what Kopsis have! Phew, was real close in putting in the order for memPlug. So, get it out quickly, Dave (and hopefully, I do not have to change my Innogear Adapter )!

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I think you will need to get a new adaptor for these features..

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Posted by Euxx on 04-02-2001 04:17 AM:

to PiDeveloper and Korpsis

Hey guys!

Maybe you need to think about your customers but not about how to be a leader in memory modules market (or software for them) for a Visor?

How about made one set of software instead having hardware dependend docreaders, img viewers, movers, etc?...

It will be good you made universal specification and just produce drivers for different hardware (for example as shared library) and all applications may use same API to acces different modules.

Actually there are two more external memory solutions for PalmOS. It's a onw used in TRG and another used in Sony's CLIE. And now CLIE is a leader on PalmOS extentions to support memstick. There are lot of interesting software...

Posted by miradu on 04-02-2001 05:19 AM:

Good point!

All you people. EVERYONE involved needs to talk to one another. They ll need to develop a standered s othat Palm OS can talk with the devices, and than from that standard, the hardware cummunicates with. IT should all look the same to the Visor. We need programs that will run and work of these modules. A standard will make that acceptable. Right now I see 3. Memplug. Kopsis. And Innogear (IF the innodrive ever comes out). Everyone needs to work together.. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE! IT will decide the survival of memory springboards for the Visor!

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Posted by dkessler on 04-02-2001 02:38 PM:

Re: Feel disappointed

quote:
Originally posted by Q-Won
To be honest, I am really disappointed with these empty promises being given out by Kopsis. It real provides no info of the new CF Adapter and software.

I wish I could give more details but these new products are not being developed by Kopsis. It's not my place to announce details of someone else's products.

quote:
After calculation, I find the owning cost of MemPlug comparing to having similar programs on CF adapters, CF adapters seem to be more expensive. Indeed not all of these programs are available right now and not being promised when it will be availiable. I feel I will go for MemPlug at this moment.

The MemPlug is an excellent product and I wouldn't fault anyone for choosing it.
I'm sure you will be quite happy with your selection.

quote:
By the way, I hear that not all brand of CFs are supported by CF adapters. Is it true?

Yes, that is absolutely true. Lexar CF cards are the most notable case of FlashAdapter incompatibility, but there are others (http://kopsisengineering.com/cf_compat.html) has more details. We're still looking for ways to resolve the incompatibilities, but I can't say when or even if that will happen.

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Posted by dkessler on 04-02-2001 02:44 PM:

Re: to PiDeveloper and Korpsis

quote:
Originally posted by Euxx
How about made one set of software instead having hardware dependend docreaders, img viewers, movers, etc?...

The problem is that even if Kopsis and Portable Innovation agreed on a standard API, that's all going to go out the window as soon as Palm releases the m50x series. Palm has developed their own API for removable storage and once that's available, I think we can all guess what developers are going to support. My guess is that even Sony will adopt the Palm removable storage API once it is released.

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Posted by dkessler on 04-02-2001 03:49 PM:

Re: Memplug is 4 me!

quote:
Originally posted by sigsteve
I have used the MatchbookDrive since it came out and I'm very dissapointed with it, anyone want to buy mine?
I have ordered a Memplug.
I get fatal exceptions VERY often with the Matchbook and when I don't and transfer a file/program into RAM it is somehow corrupted and won't run!

Have you contacted Kopsis technical support ([email protected]) about these issues? We can probably help you resolve them if you give us a chance. Thanks!

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Posted by Q-Won on 04-02-2001 04:05 PM:

NX Drive

Does the new NxDrive use the same software as InnoPocket and MatchDrive? Or it uses diff. file system?

Q-Won

Posted by yardie on 04-02-2001 06:01 PM:

Different SOftware

It seems that it using a different software from what Kopsis provides.

Posted by ajcross on 04-04-2001 07:57 PM:

Re: Re: to PiDeveloper and Korpsis

quote:
Originally posted by dkessler
My guess is that even Sony will adopt the Palm removable storage API once it is released.

Sony seems very bent on limiting copy protection and proprietary access. So this will be interesting.

Andy

Posted by pschum on 04-08-2001 04:10 AM:

I have used the MatchBookDrive and MemPlug and I can't really decide which is better. CF already comes in larger sizes than SmartMedia, but the costs per megabyte are comparable. I really like being able to back-up and restore my Visor with the Memplug, but CF works a great deal faster. CF also wants more from the batteries, though. SM seems more "fragile" to me than CF.

faFileMver and piMover are comparable applications, although I've had piMover "crash" (?) every time I've tried to "move" (rather than copy) something from RAM to SM; faFileMover doesn't have a "move" but rather after the copy is complete the items (to be) copied remain selected and can then be deleted with the touch of another button.

Whoever it was that thought the MemPlug was being updated at the end of March was confusing it with the MatchBookDrive MD-100, which was supposed to be released around then; I haven't checked lately to see if it is available yet. It differs from the original in that the CF is flush with the top of the adaptor. In this regard, the MemPlug and current MatchBookDrive are also the same in that the memory protrudes above the adaptor -- I've now seen others' comments about it, but I was very disappointed when my MemPlugs wouldn't let me clip the lid on the back of my Platinum. Hey piDeveloper: any chance this can be fixed? (I realize it won't happen very quickly...) And Dave: just what is the problem with some CF cards that they don't work? (Yes, I realize you're more in the software end but perhaps you can get a good answer for us!)

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Posted by namja on 04-15-2001 04:43 AM:

Re: Re: Flush is lush

quote:
Originally posted by dkessler
Hang in there I'm not at liberty to discuss the details, but I can say that Kopsis is working with the CF adapter vendors as well as third-party software developers to give CF users the same kinds of capabilities that MemPlug users currently enjoy ... and more

So someone's working on a real CF springboard (not like the current adapter)?

Approximately when will this come out?

I need more memory.

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