VisorCentral.com - MemPlug vs Kopsis

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Posted by dkessler on 10-02-2001 02:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by philip
May be you cannot tell us the exact number but is it above or under the memplug number? Please let us know.

We were arguing who 'owns' the market. We can finally make a conclusion if you give us this missing piece of information.

By the way, disclosing the total number should not upset your distributors since you have more than one and the information is not enough the deduce individual numbers. Do you agree?

philip

Nope. Here's why ...

1) MemPlug's number is a "year end projection". I don't have that data for our partners.

2) Disclosing a number may not allow an exact calculation for a particular partner, but it does make it a whole lot easier to make an educated guess. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to make reasonably accurate rough estimates of how the FlashAdapter market breaks down.

3) It won't do anything to end this debate. "Owns" is a "fuzzy" term. Even if we had only 0.01% of the market, I could still argue that MemPlug doesn't "own" it because we're still in business. You could just as easily argue that they do. It's not going to solve anything. You'd have to get everyone to agree on a definition for "owns" (which is never going to happen) before you'd have any use for numbers.

This poll is entertaining because it doesn't show who has the greater market share, but instead shows who has the greater number of "rabid fans" (and who's fans have the "fastest fingers")

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Posted by OrangeDeluxe on 10-02-2001 05:21 AM:

I've thrown in with Dave & his software as I have 2 FlashPlus' & one Matchbook on order...With any luck I'll be able to make maximum use of FlashAdapter 2.0 & VFS with the software I already own.

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Posted by Euxx on 10-02-2001 06:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Roger

30k MemPlugs is impressive (gee, I wish I'd sold that many SpringWallets*!) but remember that that's an estimate through the end of the year based on orders from retailers. The retailers may not actually sell all of them...

Anyway, I can guess as to how many FlashAdapters Kopsis has sold: 0

Kopsis sells software, not hardware (smart guys!). MemPlugs are only available from one source, but FlashAdapters are available from several. The FlashAdapters I know of are:

Homemade
Matchbook Drive MD-001
Matchbook Drive MD-100
Innopocket (original)
FlashPlus

If you add 'em up, will you get 30,000? I don't know. But, the year's not over yet, and it is possible that other FlashAdapters may come on the market in time for the holidays.

*see <http://www.SpringWallet.com/> for info.

By the way. Most of those adapters just passive connectors. Should be quite chip comparing with MemPlug device which has own 1mb flash on board... But unfortunately those piece of textolite cost almost the same amount as first MemPlug. Funny, isn't it?

Posted by Euxx on 10-02-2001 06:10 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by philip
david:
May be you cannot tell us the exact number but is it above or under the memplug number? Please let us know.

We were arguing who 'owns' the market. We can finally make a conclusion if you give us this missing piece of information.

By the way, disclosing the total number should not upset your distributors since you have more than one and the information is not enough the deduce individual numbers. Do you agree?
philip

By the way, why it is so important for you guys who owns the market? Unless their devices meet your requirements what the matter?

Maybe just let sales persons from Kopsis (or their partners) and Portable Innovations (MemPlug) tkae kare about their business?

Posted by Toby on 10-02-2001 02:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by philip
Just read a note from the creator of memplug:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/memplug/message/3483
I wonder how many flashadapter were sold so far. Maybe Kopsis engineering tell us the number.

The best that Dave could do is tell you how many registered users of the software that he's got. That's because there isn't necessarily going to be a sale of an adapter. Neither of the two sets of parts that I have would register as a sale with anybody as a flashadapter, but when I actually have the time to assemble them and I order the software, that would show up.

Posted by Toby on 10-02-2001 03:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Roger
[...] MemPlugs are only available from one source, but FlashAdapters are available from several. [...]

"Not exactly." - Hertz commercial. The Memplugs are only produced by one source (much like Kopsis's software is only produced by one source), but you can purchase them by several venues (PalmGear, CompUSA, etc.).

Posted by Toby on 10-02-2001 03:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dkessler
[...] 3) It won't do anything to end this debate. "Owns" is a "fuzzy" term. Even if we had only 0.01% of the market, I could still argue that MemPlug doesn't "own" it because we're still in business. You could just as easily argue that they do. It's not going to solve anything. You'd have to get everyone to agree on a definition for "owns" (which is never going to happen) before you'd have any use for numbers. [...]

You'd also have to agree on what 'the market' was in the first place. True Springboards vs. adapters. Removable media storage vs. any storage. etc. etc. etc.

Posted by Anomaly on 10-02-2001 04:42 PM:

All of these debates and threads have given me a chuckle. They are so similar to an old psychology experiment that shows the lengths to which people will go to justify a decision they made. Kind of a self-congratulatory "I did good because I bought the best."

This is not like the age-old PC v. Mac argument, which was comparing, well, Apples and oranges. (Sorry). These products are similar and do similar things. If what you bought works for you, then great. If you're in the market, these threads will do you no good. You are better off reading through the Memplug and FlashAdapter forums on Yahoo groups.

Personally, I have a FlashPlus. I had had a Memplug on order back when Palmgear couldn't get their cr*p together, and I got impatient and gave up. Dave Kessler has been great and so has the Flashadapter forum. I love my Flashplus and it has exponentially increased the value of my Visor. Doesn't mean that PIT isn't equally great. This isn't a zero-sum game.

Posted by Uncle Roger on 10-02-2001 05:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Euxx
Most of those adapters just passive connectors. Should be quite chip comparing with MemPlug device which has own 1mb flash on board... But unfortunately those piece of textolite cost almost the same amount as first MemPlug. Funny, isn't it?

MemPlugs are $49.95.

Meanwhile, Matchbook drives are $20 for the flush adapter. The MBD was a bit more originally, but not $50. Homemade adapters are generally less than $10, not including one's time.

Meanwhile, the FlashPlus lists for $49.90, same as the MemPlug (and can be had for $42 at Matchbook, iirc). It also has 1MB of flash, which you can use for whatever apps you want, rather than the ones that come with it.

So, yes, $49.90 is almost the same amount as $49.95. I'm not sure $20 is almost the same amount as $49.95, but I'd like to be able to convince my wife of that. (Not my boss, though. 8^) I think $10 definitely <> $49.95.

Posted by Toby on 10-02-2001 07:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Roger
[...] Homemade adapters are generally less than $10, not including one's time. [...]

Actually, the ones that can be had for less than $10 won't be anywhere near flush. The closest to flush that can be had were the ones which Dave found at TDS ($24 + ~$15 shipping). Also, one has to coordinate a group buy of module plastics if one doesn't want to shell out at least $65 or so to ATL. Considering my time, I'm sure that I'll have paid much more than $50 whenever I finish my homemade ones. That's why when I saw the Memplug in CompUSA, I picked one up.

Posted by OrangeDeluxe on 10-03-2001 05:16 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Anomaly
All of these debates and threads have given me a chuckle. They are so similar to an old psychology experiment that shows the lengths to which people will go to justify a decision they made. Kind of a self-congratulatory "I did good because I bought the best."

This is not like the age-old PC v. Mac argument, which was comparing, well, Apples and oranges. (Sorry). These products are similar and do similar things. If what you bought works for you, then great. If you're in the market, these threads will do you no good. You are better off reading through the Memplug and FlashAdapter forums on Yahoo groups.

Personally, I have a FlashPlus. I had had a Memplug on order back when Palmgear couldn't get their cr*p together, and I got impatient and gave up. Dave Kessler has been great and so has the Flashadapter forum. I love my Flashplus and it has exponentially increased the value of my Visor. Doesn't mean that PIT isn't equally great. This isn't a zero-sum game.

"...when Palmgear couldn't get their crap together..."
Heh, guess what: PG still have limited success with closing retail orders...see the thread & poll I started about PG for more info. Good thing the VC awards don't include a catagory for retailers. As busy as the market for Visor stuff still is, I'm very impressed with Keith at Matchbook & Dave at Kopsis in their quick response to inquiries & questions.

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