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Posted by speclcajun on 11-08-2003 05:48 AM:

WOW! 27 threads contain it!!

Ran a search for "Nazi".
Came up with 27 Threads that contain it! I think we need a "No Nazi" Nazi on the board to take care of this!

Posted by Rusty J on 11-08-2003 05:58 AM:

Usenet rules...

As I understand it, when anyone in a discusssion uses the word "Nazi," the thread is killed and the party using the word is considered to have lost the argument.
I don't think this applies to humorously-used wording along the lines of "soup nazi", though -- I'm not that familar with Usenet.

Rusty J
Treo 270

Posted by Yorick on 11-08-2003 07:07 PM:

If someone's being "ripped apart" for making a negative statement, it may be the way it's delivered. I would guess based on the "N" commentary that perhaps the audience isn't always being thought of.
Since I don't follow Treo stuff (I don't have any interest in the units) I don't know for sure, tho.

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Posted by ilovedessert on 11-08-2003 08:27 PM:

I certainly AM NOT CONTROLLING YOUR SPEECH, it is not like i have gun to yoru head. Use it don't use it that is your choice, just as is my choice and the majority of those of use here to object. 12 million people died due to that word! Soemthing I will not forget!

Posted by MarkEagle on 11-08-2003 10:31 PM:

I'm all for freedom of speech, but damn it, I'm getting really tired of the blatant personal attacks. If people can't conduct themselves like respectable human beings, then maybe they need to look for another forum to hang out at.

Simply put, since the early days of VisorCentral, and even now at TreoCentral:

PERSONAL ATTACKS OF ANY KIND WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!!!

Period!

End of discussion!

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Posted by ToolkiT on 11-10-2003 06:09 AM:

Merged another thread into this one... lets keep this discussion in 1 thread...

I dont think I have to add anything to MarkEagle's statement...it's really pretty simple...

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Posted by IanL on 11-12-2003 11:38 AM:

Aren't you also tired of certain people hiijacking interesting threads with ridiculous trolls? And then having to close the thread when the predictable flame war ensures?

It seems to prefectly clear to me that there are a couple people here (at least) that have no real interest in discussing the Treo in any rational sense. They are just here to stir up trouble and cause arguements.

I must admit, I can get into a heated discussion fairly easily, but I don't EVER intend it to get heated. There's a difference.

How can you not expect personal attacks to be a result? People are getting frustrated that so much blatant trolling is tolerated, with no repercussions against the instigator.

Posted by zipmitz on 11-12-2003 12:49 PM:

Re: The Treo "Poo Poo Head"

quote:
Originally posted by TheHandlessKing
I've been a regular of this board for a long time now, and one thing that I have noticed is the emergence of the "Treo Poo Poo Head".

(Let me preface this by saying that, 1. I am a Treo lover, I've had one for about a year and half and will never turn back. 2. I am waiting on pins and needles to get a GSM Treo 600. and 3. Against all rationale, I will probably be an early adopter.) That said:

I've noticed if you say anything negative about a Treo, half of this message board jumps on you and tears you apart. I noticed a previous post that railed against people posting negative experiences with a Treo. As I read this, I thought, "Are we only allowed to post positive thoughts?". Wouldn't this mislead people trying to get the whole story of the Treo? What about people who needed to research if this was the phone for them? None of this seems healthy in the least bit, quite dysfunctional if you ask me. The last time I checked, there were no rules as to what you could and couldn't post about the Treo.

Thanks for listening to my ramblings, and yes, I do expect to get "flamed" for my "flaming". Should be fun.

TheHandlessKing

(And yes, I do feel the need to sign every one of my post [this is to whoever railed against that guy for signing his post])

Edit: Changed n#z@ to "Poo Poo Head", hope this makes some people happy.

My my my. Aren't we the hypocrite. Seems like you've been pretty hard on me for my frank and candid posts regarding the lying and inappropriate behavior by HS in connection with it's rollout.

Posted by Yorick on 11-13-2003 12:24 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by IanL
Aren't you also tired of certain people hiijacking interesting threads with ridiculous trolls? And then having to close the thread when the predictable flame war ensures?

It seems to prefectly clear to me that there are a couple people here (at least) that have no real interest in discussing the Treo in any rational sense. They are just here to stir up trouble and cause arguements.

ahh! bblue is back!

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Posted by ToolkiT on 11-13-2003 12:29 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by IanL

How can you not expect personal attacks to be a result? People are getting frustrated that so much blatant trolling is tolerated, with no repercussions against the instigator.

Trolling is not tolerated, but we the mods are not omni-present..
We are volunteers who also have a life...

Lately this place is becomming more and more a kindergarden playground...

Lets all use the 'ignore' button and not feed the trolls..
If you find somebody trolling, please let one or more of the mods know so we can take action...

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Posted by EricG on 11-13-2003 06:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick

ahh! bblue is back!

Yorick, I doubt there are many old time Visorcentral people still around that can appreciate the humor of that, The forums are filed with all these Treo newbies now a days

, at least anyone who joined after 01-19-2002 02:21 AM (his last post),

I do appreciate it and see the humor...

I miss poor old Bblue -- "VisorCentral's Certified Genius".. Now that was someone who could rattle cages..

I salute you Bblue.. !

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Posted by IanL on 11-13-2003 05:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ToolkiT

Trolling is not tolerated, but we the mods are not omni-present..
We are volunteers who also have a life...

Lately this place is becomming more and more a kindergarden playground...

Lets all use the 'ignore' button and not feed the trolls..
If you find somebody trolling, please let one or more of the mods know so we can take action...

Yes, I know you guys have a life. Actually, I quite appreciate the time that the mods put into the site. It wouldn't survive if they weren't here. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I was just trying to point out what I think is a major source of the animosity I've read on the boards.

I'm glad to hear there is a policy against trolls. I actually didn't know if this was the case.

I wish the Ignore button was the answer, but unfortunately, I don't think the majority of users even know about it. It's buried in the user profile screen. I wish there was a button right under the poster's name on each post. Though I still doubt if people would use it, and everyone has to use it for it to be effective. If not, the troll is still effective, since one or two people who respond to them can ruin a thread. And there are many users that do not recognize trolling patterns.

What is the best way to communicate with the mods about trolling behavior? In one of the forums or via email? Which forum and/or email address? I've hesitated to report an individual because the mods have been more vocal about personal attacks than they have been about trolls.

Thanks. Like I said, I do appreciate all the time the mods take from their busy lives to babysit this sandbox.

Posted by dick-richardson on 11-13-2003 11:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by EricG

Yorick, I doubt there are many old time Visorcentral people still around that can appreciate the humor of that, The forums are filed with all these Treo newbies now a days , at least anyone who joined after 01-19-2002 02:21 AM (his last post),

I do appreciate it and see the humor...

I miss poor old Bblue -- "VisorCentral's Certified Genius".. Now that was someone who could rattle cages..

I salute you Bblue.. !

Him and bkbk. Fight the power.

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Posted by EricG on 11-14-2003 12:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by dick-richardson

Him and bkbk. Fight the power.

OMG! bkbk !!!

Now those two should be nominated to be forum admins! The wonder twins!

LOL --- hahahahaha....

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Posted by Toby on 11-14-2003 01:26 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by EricG
Yorick, I doubt there are many old time Visorcentral people still around that can appreciate the humor of that, The forums are filed with all these Treo newbies now a days , at least anyone who joined after 01-19-2002 02:21 AM (his last post), [...]

Wow...little boy blue's last post was on my birthday. That was a pretty cool present I never knew I received.

Posted by MarkEagle on 11-14-2003 02:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by IanL
I'm glad to hear there is a policy against trolls. I actually didn't know if this was the case.

It's more of a standard we've set, since it's not actually written anywhere.

Then again, we constantly run into the problem of what constitutes "trolling". What you think is, the next person may not, etc. So it's a fine line we have to walk, as none of us want to be labeled as censors, either.

quote:
What is the best way to communicate with the mods about trolling behavior?

We all have email and can receive PM's.

While I agree that using the Ignore button isn't as easy as it could be, there's another point that everyone needs to consider. No one is forcing anybody to hit the Reply button. That's a choice each of us makes on our own. Whether that results in feeding a troll, personal attacks, the beginnings of a heated arguement, or <gulp> a legitimate reply, it's a conscious decision we've made.

Since I'd like to think we're all responsible human beings, we all have a responsibility to conduct ourselves accordingly. Don't leave it up to the moderators to do all the policing around here. A lot of that would be unnecessary if people didn't click Reply in the first place!

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Posted by IanL on 11-14-2003 03:12 AM:

Yes, I can sympathize with your position. It would not be a good situation for visitors to think that the mods were censoring their opinions out of hand. You don't want an "Us vs. Them" atmosphere, to be sure.

And I agree with your statements that people need to think before they hit the reply button. That can help a lot, and I will try and keep it in mind myself.

The main problem I see is that people cannot see the troll patterns until it's too late. Wherever there's passionate discussion, there's disagreement, so it takes a little while for someone to figure out that the person you're having a disagreement with has no intention of doing anything except being contrary in every thread they take part in. By the time you realize this, the troll has ruined the thread and moved onto the next victim(s). Rinse. Repeat.

There have been a number of threads where I've thought, "hey, this is an interesting subject", and then got partway through it and found that a troll has pretty much ruined it beyond any hope of recovery. Ick. To me, that seems like too high a price to pay for a lack of censorship. Some people will never "place nice" if they're just told to.

That said, I'm not sure what the metric would be to judge whether "enough is enough" from an individual. I would probably say that warning them individually first would certainly make an subsequent action much easier. I realize that takes valuable time, however.

I hope this doesn't sound like I'm saying "hey, you admins suck!" or anything like that. I can appreciate the dilemma you face. I hope it's taken in the spirit it was intended -- friendly discussion of the problem that I think is on a number of people's minds who frequent the forums. I haven't been here long though, and when it comes down to it, you can freely tell me to shut my cakehole if you wish.

Posted by EricG on 11-14-2003 06:16 AM:

Visorcentral.com was a nice place till the Treo came along and TreoCentral.com was created.. Wasn't there a study done on how cell phones affect your brain? Perhaps that has something to do with it .. ???

IanL, Visorcentral had trolls, but they were sorta fun and cute and cuddly, just ask Toby , not like the jihads cause by trolls spilling over from TreoCentral these days ..

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Posted by tommygreen on 11-14-2003 06:41 AM:

Don't blame the Treo!.

Please don't blame the Treo! While I agree that the advent of the Treo brought more interest to these forums, much of that from MS smartphone fans (non-Palm OS fans), I would rather have to ignore (and hope fellow forum members would ignore) the trolls. I would never own a non-Palm based smartphone, and the advent of the Treo (270 at the moment for me) has given me that great option. (But I'd never troll on an MS forum...) Getting back to the point of my post, please don't blame the Treo... You will eventually join the revolution! Even if you don't, the mods said they'd help patrol the trolls if we do some reporting to them. I know we all have a few members in mind. And before anyone flames me, I know that censoring a troll won't work, as they'd only create a new login, but maybe between that and us choosing to ignore them, they'll go away. Reminds me of a sign in my dentist's office: Ignore your teeth and they'll go away!

Posted by septimus on 11-14-2003 02:16 PM:

quote:
Lets all use the 'ignore' button and not feed the trolls..
If you find somebody trolling, please let one or more of the mods know so we can take action...

Hear Hear!

IGNORE BUTTON!

*sigh* Seriously, I bet at least 1/2 of the recent issues would evaporate in a cloud of mist if people would just not feed the trolls.

....at least with bblue and bkbk people responded reasonably. I personally find the people bashing who they find to be trolls 1000 times worse than the so-called "trolls" themselves.

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