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Posted by homer on 07-31-2001 09:58 PM:

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It'll flush you out and you'll lose some weight.

Drinking water does not 'flush you out' or really even help you loose weight.

It DOES make your body operate better, however. Most people do not drink NEARLY enough water in the day. 8 glasses a day will keep you well hydrated (you'll need more, of course, when excercising).

Stay away from juices, sodas, and gatorades (unless after heavy excercise), as your body uses more water and energy to digest those substances than it gains from drinking them.

Not sure what the reallemon would do, other then add taste and a bit of citrus to your diet. It certainly won't hurt anything.

If you want to be 'flushed out'...try a bowl of all-bran in the morning ;o)

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Posted by Thunderbird291 on 07-31-2001 10:12 PM:

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Originally posted by homer

Drinking water does not 'flush you out' or really even help you loose weight.

It DOES make your body operate better, however. Most people do not drink NEARLY enough water in the day. 8 glasses a day will keep you well hydrated (you'll need more, of course, when excercising).

Stay away from juices, sodas, and gatorades (unless after heavy excercise), as your body uses more water and energy to digest those substances than it gains from drinking them.

Not sure what the reallemon would do, other then add taste and a bit of citrus to your diet. It certainly won't hurt anything.

If you want to be 'flushed out'...try a bowl of all-bran in the morning ;o)

Yea, that's what I meant.

Anyway, somewhere I read that when excersing for less than 2 hours, you should drink water since it refreshs and replenishes you better than sports drinks. The sports drinks are more for all day exercises that really tire you out and replenish nutrients. Also, the lemon is supposed to be good for your diet, and also give the water a taste so you don't get sick of more water than you are used to. All-bran and carrots will certainly do the trick.

Also, stay away from those "mircale diets" that make you drink just water and some fruit juice nutrient type drink for 48 hours. You'll lose weight, but it's awful for your body.

Posted by BobbyMike on 07-31-2001 11:20 PM:

I'm 5'7'' and about 165 (I used to be 175 with a very low percentage of fat, now I have a bit of a gut- lost muscle, gained fat) at 38 years old. I had a fairly high metabolism until around 33 years old and then it shut down completely.No more pints of Haagen Daz or Ben & Jerrys, waah. I still fit all my old clothes, just differently! I'm s l o w l y losing 15 pounds of fat, and replacing it with muscle.

As for the Aspartame, just because you haven't croaked yet doesn't mean your not damaging you liver and kidneys. If you have sugar/sweet cravings eat fruit. You can't gain weight eating just fruit. Buy bananas by the case (surprisingly affordable) and stop eating processed foods.

Most processed foods have ingredients designed to either make the food tasty, or keep it from rotting. Not many are designed to give you what your body needs to function properly.

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Posted by Yorick on 08-01-2001 12:16 AM:

no offense guys, but I'd rather lose weight than loose it ... who knows what it would do while on the loose.

Now if I could get it to stay lost, I'd be satisfied. As it is, my weight has yo-yo'd a bit in the past few years. I could stand to shed ten pounds.

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Posted by markleetoo on 08-01-2001 12:18 AM:

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As for the Aspartame, just because you haven't croaked yet doesn't mean your not damaging you liver and kidneys. If you have sugar/sweet cravings eat fruit. You can't gain weight eating just fruit. Buy bananas by the case (surprisingly affordable) and stop eating processed foods.

It's funny...I see many claims about the complications of Aspartame but, no facts, sources, studies, etc. Not everyone likes or might not even learn to like the foods that are being suggested. I feel that it is healthier to build better eating habits (i.e. moderation) and drop unhealthy weight rather than deal with heart attacks, stroke, and diabetes. I believe that natural is better but, it's up to the individual to make the choice. I feel that the use of an FDA approved food ingredient is being blown way out of proportion.

My $.03.

Posted by dick-richardson on 08-01-2001 04:36 AM:

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Originally posted by markleetoo

It's funny...I see many claims about the complications of Aspartame but, no facts, sources, studies, etc. Not everyone likes or might not even learn to like the foods that are being suggested. I feel that it is healthier to build better eating habits (i.e. moderation) and drop unhealthy weight rather than deal with heart attacks, stroke, and diabetes. I believe that natural is better but, it's up to the individual to make the choice. I feel that the use of an FDA approved food ingredient is being blown way out of proportion.

My $.03.

You must live under a rock - or at the very least doing you damnedest to ignore the myriad of scientific journals that have been released. Here's a couple for your perusal:
http://www.alternate-health.com/aspartame.html
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8167/nutri.htm

And that's just internet confirmation - I was warned in my A&P class (while I was trying out for a nursing major) to stay far away from aspartame and caffeine. It's been easy enough for the former. It's the later that's an addiction of mine. I swear it (caffeine) helps me think.

BTW, aspartame and caffeine are both FDA approved. That doesn't make them healthy. I'm hardly one to jump on the food bandwagon every time a report based on pseudo-science is released (did you know that cooking food introduces carcinogens into the food being cooked? I still think I'll take that steak medium-rare, thanks), but the science on aspartame and caffeine are solid and have been proven over and over again. People just like to rationalize their unhealthy choices. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the "I'll look good when I'm dead because my parts will be preserved, har har har" joke. It's all a personal choice, of course (how many people still smoke cigarettes - regardless of the knowledge of what it does to your body?), just don't try and dismiss solid science.

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Posted by namja on 08-01-2001 06:00 AM:

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Originally posted by dick-richardson
BTW, I'll be stopping in your neck of the woods on the 28th of August. It's just going to be a 3 hour lay-over on my way to see my dad. Where's a good place to get a bite to eat?

my neck of the woods? Champaign? Or do you mean Chicago?

I'm gonna guess Chicago and give you that answer. Even though there is good public transportation at both airports (ORD & MDW), you won't be able to leave the airport and get back in 3 hours. Guess you're stuck with airport food, which btw is so much better than airplane food.

Although both -- see how I get back ON TOPIC! -- will most likely make you fat.

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Posted by ToolkiT on 08-01-2001 07:49 AM:

I'm about 6' and about 205pound. I Just lost about 11 pound by changing my eating habits....
Moderation is the key indeed.

I did a 'just fruit and veggie' diet for 5 days too break the eating habits and than switch to a more healty eating pattern...

I stay away from the diet soda, because a) they taste foul b) they can't be good for you. I'd rather risk getting too much sugar than drinking all that chemical stuff.

I'm lucky that I look less fat that I am (people allways think I'm about 20 pounds lighter than I actualy am )

When I was a student I could eat and drink anything and not gain a gram, but nowadays I have to watch what I eat since I don't move enough (desk job, car etc etc).

All in all it is a combination of getting enough excersize and eating healthy I guess...

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Posted by icthus on 08-01-2001 09:22 AM:

It seems to be assumed by many on here that, regardless of opions, "eating healthy" is one thing we can all agree on.
Anyone considered at all a high fat, high protein, low card diet? A couple of good sites are: the Metabolic Diet and http://www.lowcarb.org/ . You may be sceptical, as it is against anything we have been taught by "those who know" for years, but I know many people that are on these diets, and it is the best thing that has ever happened to them. Something to consider. Also, just because it says diet doesn't me it's a quick fix. It really is a change of lifestyle.

(To answer the original question, I'm 6'2", about 210lbs, and actually want to gain weight; in the gym of course).

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Posted by Toby on 08-01-2001 02:34 PM:

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Originally posted by markleetoo
[...] I feel that the use of an FDA approved food ingredient is being blown way out of proportion. [...]

Rat droppings under a certain threshold are implicitly an FDA approved food ingredient, but that doesn't mean that I want to eat them.

Posted by dick-richardson on 08-01-2001 04:03 PM:

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Originally posted by namja
my neck of the woods? Champaign? Or do you mean Chicago?

Chicago

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I'm gonna guess Chicago and give you that answer. Even though there is good public transportation at both airports (ORD & MDW), you won't be able to leave the airport and get back in 3 hours. Guess you're stuck with airport food, which btw is so much better than airplane food.

Wow! I've a feeling we won't be in Kansas anymore.

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Although both -- see how I get back ON TOPIC! -- will most likely make you fat.

Are you bitter?

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Posted by markleetoo on 08-01-2001 05:50 PM:

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You must live under a rock - or at the very least doing you damnedest to ignore the myriad of scientific journals that have been released. Here's a couple for your perusal:

I'm sure you will say, "THANK GOODNESS" when I say this is the last time that I will bother to argue this subject but, I think it is asinine to compare cigarette smoking with this use of an artificial sweetener that has been on the market and used for over fifteen years with only slight side effects, the majority being headache. In all fairness, I know that there is supportive evidence that abnormal use of Aspartame can be dangerous for some but, I think you are missing my point. I'm not advocating Aspartame as a miracle replacement and to drop using sugar. Anything is bad for you in large amounts. My point is that if you want to use something that has been, for the most part, labeled safe and been used with only slight side effects in SOME, then do it if it helps you beat (IMO) a bigger and more deadly problem statistically. Check the AMA or even the Internet on that fact. And I know what you are going to say..."What about formaldehyde, liver disease, etc., etc., etc." These seem to be mostly tests that are performed on animals that have different genetic make ups and have likely been fed lethal amounts of the product.

I think that people just need something new and exciting to be afraid of. You don't hear much about saccharin anymore, do you? And I don't live under a rock, maybe in the dog house sometimes when I get in the same type of debates with my wife

In fact, I feel that I am well informed. It sounds like you are prone to conspiracy theories whenever you read about something, judging by the sources of information you gave. BTW - both references you sited looked like personal web sites, not independent organizations that specialize in non-biased studies. Granted, one was written by A doctor on a personal Geocities web site.

This concludes my ranting and raving. Thank you for listening if you did.

Respectfully,

The person who lives under a rock.

Posted by Toby on 08-01-2001 06:06 PM:

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Originally posted by markleetoo
[...] I think it is asinine to compare cigarette smoking with this use of an artificial sweetener that has been on the market and used for over fifteen years with only slight side effects, the majority being headache.

It might very well be a bad comparison, however, based on only fifteen years of evidence, I doubt if there would have been much of any support that smoking was bad for you. Until aspartame is around for as long as smoking has been at this point, there really isn't a good way to judge the analogy.

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I think that people just need something new and exciting to be afraid of.

Yeah, scaring them about getting fat from sugar just wasn't cutting it anymore, so aspartame had to be invented.

Posted by namja on 08-01-2001 06:15 PM:

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Originally posted by dick-richardson
Are you bitter?

Bitter? At you? Of course not.

Anyway, I'm trying really hard to eat healthier. Today wasn't so good ... a big slice of pizza from Sbarro's for lunch.

Posted by dick-richardson on 08-01-2001 06:33 PM:

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Originally posted by markleetoo
I'm sure you will say, "THANK GOODNESS" when I say this is the last time that I will bother to argue this subject

Not really. Argue what you want.

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but, I think it is asinine to compare cigarette smoking with this use of an artificial sweetener that has been on the market and used for over fifteen years with only slight side effects, the majority being headache.

Slight side effects? Did you read the links? Would you like more? And exactly how did I compare Aspartame to Cigarettes? You need to work on reading for comprehension. I was merely pointing out a person's propensity to rationalize poor choices WRT their health. At no point did I insinuate that Aspartame was as dangerous as cigarettes, nor did I compare the amount of evindence for one against the other. I have plenty of fun arguing the points I intend to make, I don't need your help making them for me.

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In all fairness, I know that there is supportive evidence that abnormal use of Aspartame can be dangerous for some but, I think you are missing my point. I'm not advocating Aspartame as a miracle replacement and to drop using sugar. Anything is bad for you in large amounts.

What constitues "abnormal" use? Snorting? Ingesting Aspartame, a common substitute for sugar, is not good for your body. The more you ingest, the worse it gets.

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My point is that if you want to use something that has been, for the most part, labeled safe and been used with only slight side effects in SOME, then do it if it helps you beat (IMO) a bigger and more deadly problem statistically.

Labelled safe by an FDA you previously bashed. Would you please pick a side of the argument you wish to argue and stay with it? And how is sugar a bigger and more deadly problem? Almost everything you eat has sugar. Limiting sugar intake is, more or less, pointless. Unless you're eating excessive amounts (more than 2000 Cal/day), the sugar is getting burned off.

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Check the AMA or even the Internet on that fact.

I have. Would you like links?

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And I know what you are going to say..."What about formaldehyde, liver disease, etc., etc., etc." These seem to be mostly tests that are performed on animals that have different genetic make ups and have likely been fed lethal amounts of the product.

No, that was the case for sacchrine. If you'd bother reading about it, you'd realize that. And would you rather testing were done on humans? Rats and chimps are used because of their genetic similarity to humans. The only thing closer would be man himself.

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I think that people just need something new and exciting to be afraid of.

I agree. But when scientific report after scientific report backs the info up, you have to start to wonder.

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You don't hear much about saccharin anymore, do you?

You don't bother to read links, do you?

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In fact, I feel that I am well informed. It sounds like you are prone to conspiracy theories whenever you read about something, judging by the sources of information you gave.

the information may have been written in the form of a witch hunt, but you conveniently ignore the reports they were based on - which happen to be solid science

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BTW - both references you sited looked like personal web sites, not independent organizations that specialize in non-biased studies. Granted, one was written by A doctor on a personal Geocities web site.

I always dismiss information because it's coming from a personal source without actually reading it and finding out if there may just be a kernel of truth to it.

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This concludes my ranting and raving. Thank you for listening if you did.

Of course I did. As it stands, not much was gleaned by it.

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Posted by markleetoo on 08-01-2001 06:39 PM:

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Yeah, scaring them about getting fat from sugar just wasn't cutting it anymore, so aspartame had to be invented.

Good point.

I all of my ranting and raving, I rudely ignored and did not respond to the original intent of this thread. I am 5'11 and currently 255 lbs. Down from 281 from about a month and a half ago. I have changed my eating habits much like what has already been described on this thread. Smaller portions divided into six meals, cut most of the fat and sugar from my diet, drink lots of water throughout the day, and I jog and lift weights to keep active.

Posted by dick-richardson on 08-01-2001 06:54 PM:

I would like to clarify. Regardless of Aspartame's health consequences, it is impossible it could be nearly as safe as sugar or fat. Period. Aspartame has the distinction of being one of the most widely tested substances on the market, but sugar and fat haven't needed to be, since they are requirements to a healthy diet. Getting thinner is a matter of reducing caloric intake and increasing caloric expenditure in such a way that the homonal changes incurred work toward the same end.

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Posted by dick-richardson on 08-01-2001 07:12 PM:

Finally, an objective "report," complete with references.
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neu...b2/Chivers.html

Hmmm. Looks like the question is far from answered.

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Posted by markleetoo on 08-01-2001 07:42 PM:

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Finally, an objective "report," complete with references.
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neu...b2/Chivers.html

Hmmm. Looks like the question is far from answered.

Josh,

Thanks for looking up that article and thanks for the new research project you got me on. I'm going to keep getting as much information as possible because I believe you are right in that the common tone here is that there is not enough compiled and official information on the subject.

Mark-

Posted by dick-richardson on 08-01-2001 08:15 PM:

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Originally posted by markleetoo
Josh,

Thanks for looking up that article and thanks for the new research project you got me on. I'm going to keep getting as much information as possible because I believe you are right in that the common tone here is that there is not enough compiled and official information on the subject.

Mark-

Good point. The official sites that say Aspartame is fine because it breaks down into familiar body chemicals are, in part, correct. They need to actually do research on the areas they have little or no knowledge, instead of just passing it off as harmless. IOW, just because the most studies have been done doesn't necessarily mean that the right studies have been done. I'd appreciate seeing your compilation.

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