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Holy Cow. A "smoking gun" it was not, but aluminum tubes made to specifications surpassing all non-nuclear use, audio tapes of Iraqis discussion hiding "modified" vehicles ahead of inspectors and a tape of a commander telling a subordinate to remove the word "nerve agents" (or something like that) from wireless communications.

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He said

missed his speech - did it go like this

me bad

lost the attachment when I previewed

trying again

it's the plain and honest truth...

there was a picture in the newspaper a few weeks ago of protesters holding signs that said 'War With Iraq = OIL' up on Killington (a pretty big ski resort 20 min. from me) as all of the big SUV's drove by.

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A "smoking gun" it was not...

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Originally posted by MarkEagle
I caught Bob Woodward on Larry king last night. He said one of his assistants put it this way: "While not a 'smoking gun', there's a lot of shell casings on the floor..."

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Why is that? Wasn't it America who helped them create these nerve agents? Didn't they implicitly encouraged them to use them against Iran when Iraq was seen as their friends?

There was no smoking gun. The only shell on the floor are egg shells.

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Yeah. I must admit my stomach dropped to my feet when I heard the part about removing "nerve agents" from wireless communications.

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Why is that? Wasn't it America who helped them create these nerve agents? Didn't they implicitly encouraged them to use them against Iran when Iraq was seen as their friends?

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Why did my stomach drop to the floor? The notion that there is a hostile regime out there with chemical weapons and we may be attacking them--is that not enough to make you feel uneasy? You sir have a stronger stomach than I.

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The notion that there is a hostile regime out there with chemical

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Funny you say that.. US is threatening to attack iraq and hence a hostile regime... US has chemical weapons too...
Isnt that the pot calling the kettle black??

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The US should let the UN do the job it is created for, not play police officer themselfs and escalate the whole situation and the very fragile balance in the world....

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The agressiveness of the Bush administration is just as scary as the Saddam administration...
2 wrongs still dont make a right...

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You can honestly say the US is equivalent to Iraq? I don't know what to say.

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The UN has shown no resolve in backing up what they themselves have said. I honestly hold no strong opinions about this possible action, but for the UN to demand full disclosure and then do nothing when they are ignored does not bode well for the future.

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[b]Again, you cannot seriously tell me you think the US gov't is the same as the Iraqi one.

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Originally posted by ToolkiT
So if you get burgled, the police dont act fast enough in your opinion it is ok for you to burgle the place of the thief???

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If the gov't passes a law against burglary and then chooses not to follow through on it for fear the burlgar might get angry and kill people--that is the relevant analogy.

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Small addition:
You live in texas right?
It is legal over there to carry a firearm and a lot of people do.
This means they may use them to kill people (thats the only thing they do, so why else would you carry one?)

This means that in your reasoning you can go kill anybody with a gun that looks suspicious... because they may use the gun...
The police can pack their stuff because their job is not needed, every body can do their job right?

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So it is ok to kill somebody because they MAY kill somebody??
So everybody can be the judge, jury and executioner because they think somebody may do something bad??

This kind of thinking will lead to anarchy...

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Small addition:
You live in texas right?
It is legal over there to carry a firearm and a lot of people do.
This means they may use them to kill people (thats the only thing they do, so why else would you carry one?)

This means that in your reasoning you can go kill anybody with a gun that looks suspicious... because they may use the gun...
The police can pack their stuff because their job is not needed, every body can do their job right?

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You seem to enjoy taking things out of context, don't you? What it comes down to is this: Iraq has violated the will of the UN. The UN is too afraid to do anything about it. In that context, it is justifiable for a member nation to take up the cause.

Remember, I am not saying in this particular instance, removal of a state gov't is the right move. I'm just saying the logic behind it is sound.

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and you have a proven track record of stretching things to make your point.

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Regarding the lively discussion on Iraq:

I agree with most people in that every possible peaceful means to end the problem with Iraq should be sought. But there must be an endpoint. The disagreement is in where that endpoint lay. The difference between the United States and the allies which oppose military action isn't just ideology, it's also a matter of security. Sept. 11 has shown us that the U.S. is a prime target for terrorists and rogue nations and that it is vulnerable. If the U.S. government has evidence that Iraq is an imminent threat then military action is necessary, U.N. be damned. For reasons of security (for instance, keeping our foreign intelligence agents and intelligence aquisition methods safe) I do not expect my government to disclose everything it knows about what is going on in Iraq. The idea that we want the oil is ridiculous. Did we assume control of Kuwaiti oil after we liberated them? The Bush administration has decided that, in a post 9/11 world, the Iraq problem must be dealt with swiftly. We can no longer sit on our hands and wait for the problem to go away. It is time to take the bull by the horns. Saddam Hussein is a sadistic dictator who has been terrorizing his people and playing with the world for 12 years. Moreover, the anti-war activists have been playing right into his hands. Saddam is the Joseph Stalin of our time. We've sent our own troops to protect Kuwait, Kosovo, South Korea, South Vietnam, Somalia, etc. This time it is to protect ourselves.