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Posted by Brutus Beefcake on 10-28-2002 04:40 PM:

Falling Forwards: Daylight Savings

It is time again for my bi-annual amazement that the Palm OS doesn't account for daylight saving time, but my $75 VCR does.


Posted by Flytopher on 10-29-2002 06:02 AM:

I spent 90% of my 'free' hour this weekend changing all the clocks in the house.

fax machine
playroom clock
playroom tv
kitchen radio
microwave
stove
kitchen clock
coffee maker
living room tv
living room stereo
living room clock
living room phone
bedroom tv
2 bedroom alarm clocks
shower radio clock
1 car, 1 pickup, 1 SUV
4 handspring visors
two wristwatches
three computers (they do themselves, thankfully)

oh, and I forgot to do my pager...I'll do it now...

This is moronic.....twice a year, and I have to dig out manuals because I forgot how to change the car radio clocks...

http://www.standardtime.com/


Posted by Kupe on 10-30-2002 05:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Flytopher
I spent 90% of my 'free' hour this weekend changing all the clocks in the house.

Ain't it the truth? Add it comes out of your hide in the Spring since you start out losing that hour in the first place.

All this so your Winters can be darker and more dismal and your Summer daylight can keep you awake late at night. WHat's not to like?

Kupe


Posted by HindeR on 10-30-2002 06:20 PM:

Smile TimePAL

I use time PAL which sync's my Prism's time to my PC's time. On my PC, I use Dimension 4 to sync my PC clock to a time server here at work. As a result, my Prism clock was updated and stays accurate.


Posted by Madkins007 on 11-01-2002 04:37 PM:

Ok, now... can someone explain the 'value' in Daylight Savings Time to me again?

I know in the 70's it was touted as a big energy saver- but I don't recall ever seeing any real facts or figues on this claim.

It seems to me that the added awkwardness it injects twice a year is just plain not worth it unless there is a substantial reason I have not heard or have forgotten about.

Oh-= and a quick trivia question- how many of your buddies know whether this is 'regular time' or 'Daylight Savings Time' now! Since most of our PDAs told us that "DST Ends Today" last Sunday, I am sure WE know- but how about them?

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Posted by Flytopher on 11-01-2002 09:23 PM:

The benefit of daylight saving time focuses on reduced energy use. After exhaustive research, I came across a group that ADVOCATES daylight savings time; it's the California Energy Commission, and their position on DST can be found here:

http://www.energy.ca.gov/daylightsaving.html

They quote a US DOT study from the 70's that indicates DST saves energy and reduced traffic accidents and reduces crime, but even they admit the study is outdated and further research would be beneficial.

One quote I find curious: Since 25 percent of our electric usage powers small appliances and lights, then we're saving some of that 25 percent by being outdoors later in the evening. True, until you ask about the other 75 percent. That, my friends, belongs to heating and air conditioning. During DST, (the summer), that's air conditioning. Since it's HOTTER later into the day, we have to use the AC later in the day, which I'm sure wipes out the savings on the light bulbs.

That, coupled with the exponential increase in the number of timepieces we need to adjust twice a year, I think is a compelling argument to scrap Daylight Savings Time.


Posted by DirtyVicar on 11-03-2002 03:53 AM:

Well, couldn't we set the clocks back an hour and just leave them there?

I used to be a computer operator in a large mainframe shop, and we had to IPL the systems in conjunction with clock changes. That was a major disruption and involved added expense. While I doubt they still have to IPL the new mainframes for that, there must be other costs to businesses. They probably outweigh the energy savings by a long shot...


Posted by chesswrangler on 11-04-2002 04:02 PM:

I thought the reason it was still around was so the kids could have more light in the morning. Walking to school, waiting for the bus, etc. Kind of a safety thing.

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Posted by Flytopher on 11-04-2002 05:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by chesswrangler
I thought the reason it was still around was so the kids could have more light in the morning. Walking to school, waiting for the bus, etc. Kind of a safety thing.


Nope. By moving the clock ahead in April, you're moving an hour of daylight away from the morning and into the evening. So the sun sets an hour later, and it rises an hour later.


Posted by Madkins007 on 11-05-2002 04:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by chesswrangler
I thought the reason it was still around was so the kids could have more light in the morning. Walking to school, waiting for the bus, etc. Kind of a safety thing.


I have heard this, and other similar arguments, given as a 'reason' for DST- and thanks for the DOT report Flytopher!

The walking to school bit has a major flaw in the reasoning- DST ENDS in October- so we are back to regular time. Any 'extra daylight' gained by DST is only helping the kids in September, October, and May. If we are helping this small of a group of people for this small amount of time, why not just force the schools to change their hours during this period?



In the 70's, a lot of legislation was passed under the energy and environment banners. The original 55 mph Interstate speed limit was to save gas primarily, not lives. Likewise, many communities enabled 'right turn on red' laws- again primarily to save gas.

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Posted by Uncle Roger on 11-05-2002 10:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by chesswrangler
I thought the reason it was still around was so the kids could have more light in the morning. Walking to school, waiting for the bus, etc. Kind of a safety thing.


Actually, that's the reason DST *ends*. In the late 70's or early 80's, an experiment was done, (in california at least) letting DST continue through the winter. (There was no "fall back".) The reason they went back to non-DST the next year was because of concerns of going to school/work in the dark.


Posted by MarkEagle on 11-05-2002 11:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Roger
In the late 70's or early 80's, an experiment was done, (in california at least) letting DST continue through the winter. (There was no "fall back".) The reason they went back to non-DST the next year was because of concerns of going to school/work in the dark.
They did that here in Connecticut, too... around '72 or '73. I remember walking to school in total darkness. Come to think of it, I still spend a lot of time in the dark! I wonder if there's a connection?

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Posted by JohnKes on 11-06-2002 12:06 AM:

Throw on DateTime+ and never adjust for DST again:
http://www.bitwareoz.com/datetime.htm


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